Your thoughts on Simulated Reality (after experiencing dmt/aya)?

[dragonrider]

But when you look at reality as a whole, the very reason i mentioned volition, is because i think 'simulation' at least requires representation. If the universe would be a simulation, then there would either have to be a whole other universe, containing elements, assembled in such a way that they could represent our universe...or, our very counsciousness should be a simulation as well. You could definately trick a mind into believing it is perceiving more than it actually does. Or into believing that it is free. So in that case i would be believing that it is me having these thoughts, while the 'simulator' would be making sure that these thoughts won't get too elaborate, so that i'll never find out it's all an illusion.

OK, first imagine its a computer simulation. This is fine with your definition. Then imagine that the simulation is distributed across servers around the world. Still OK?

Now imagine that we distribute it to servers across the universe... Still OK?

So the data that represents the sim is effectively scattered over the entire universe, and if you were to look at how it exists physically it would seem to be bits of random data (in the absence of the "program" which knows how to interpret that data)

Now imagine that we slow down the simulation program. If you were in the Sim you would not notice any difference. We can speed it up too, but time in the universe is irrelevant to the Sim, as long as the next calculation is done to create the data for the next step for the Sim.

So really we could even simulate them out of sequence (if this was programmatically possible) and the Sim would not notice.

Now what if nobody looked at the computer to see if it was working. Would that be OK?

What if it was never looked at?

So the only thing that "knows" the simulation is the computer. Is that OK?

The computer is just more data. More atoms of data storage which are considered to represent something. So why have the computer at all? What if there was no computer and the data representing the simulation steps just happens to exist. After all it was only the computer that required it to be in specific places in a specific order, and we just scattered them over the whole universe anyway. For example, say part of the data is where the computer expected it to be, well we could just have that data somewhere else - after all there is now no computer to "care" where it is. Or we could just consider some other random atoms to represent the computers new record of where that data should be.

So when above did the "simulated" reality stop existing, because now its there and there is no computer, nobody looking at it and it is made up of matter spread over the whole universe. Why not all of the matter?

Approach 2, is my conceptual one. Which is to point out that if it can be simulated then each step in the simulation (or if you like the entire history of the simulation from beginning to end) is just data. So as data we could represent it as a very very very large number.

That number may not be represented physically, but does that stop it existing? It very likely exists within the digits making up pi (you are almost certain to find the first or last 6 digits from your phone number in the just the first 100million digits) imagine what there is within the infinite number of places it has. Pi is a thing that exists and is represented by every circle. Pi is just one of many conceptual places that a reality could hide.

I don't realy see a contradiction here, with what i said.
But i have two questions: when does a parallel reality become more than just a parallel reality? because you're basically saying that there could be an infinite amount of parallel realities hiding, everywhere...wich is a thought i realy like btw. But yeah, what's the difference between interconnected parallel realities and a simulation?
And secondly, wouldn't you still need at least a decoding mechanism somewhere? Something isn't realy a code, unless there's a decoding mechanism of some sort, even if it would be merely a theoretical decoding mechanism. If you even on a theoretical plain, could no longer decode a message, the message is lost, isn't it?

 

[upwaysidedown]

I don't realy see a contradiction here, with what i said.
But i have two questions: when does a parallel reality become more than just a parallel reality? because you're basically saying that there could be an infinite amount of parallel realities hiding, everywhere...wich is a thought i realy like btw. But yeah, what's the difference between interconnected parallel realities and a simulation?
And secondly, wouldn't you still need at least a decoding mechanism somewhere? Something isn't realy a code, unless there's a decoding mechanism of some sort, even if it would be merely a theoretical decoding mechanism. If you even on a theoretical plain, could no longer decode a message, the message is lost, isn't it?

Just took a moment to get over someone understanding this stuff.

So the next step has no thought experiment to prove it. Except to say that either

(1) The entire system is determinable by calculation, meaning there is only fate and no free will and we are nothing more than machines.

I don't think many people here subscribe to that, and if its true who cares. So lets consider:

(2) That our choices and experiencing sit somewhere outside of the data, which means we are really not truly tied to the data.

The implication then is that travelling between simulations is exactly what you do all the time.

As for what controls where you go, my experience is that it is beliefs, and expectations.

It implies also immortality of experience, and if you do not believe in experience without being alive - then it sort of would imply physical immortality for you personally in your universe which is very scary. The slightly more grounded version is sort of covered by the Quantum suicide thought experiment.

As for how you should use this, well it means manage your beliefs - they are EVERYTHING.

If you follow this then you could find that it sort of implies that there are no "others" and just you, or if there are then you leave them behind in their own simulated universe. This is not entirely true. There are others (although they may be other aspects of yourself), and although others may experience other universes you still touch and communicate with them as influence spreads across all existence - but this is a whole other area of getting your head around which I could talk on for ages and the DMT experience is one that has allowed me to wrap my head around it.

 

[Limbol]

What is Musks reasoning behind this assumption? Is it that there would have to be infintely many of these hyper-advanced civilisations, and therefore infinitely many simulations?

Elon Musk argument goes in the line of (if simulation is possible) then there would be billions of devices able to produce the simulations (imagine humans having devices at home – add up to billions of these devices). In this regard there would be more simulated realities then real ones. In this contrast Mr Musk reference that there would be 1/billion chance that this perceived reality would be the real one.

It is a plausible idea, just from pure possibility – it does favor the simulation argument. However, that dictate that simulation is even remotely possible in the first place, and furthermore that civilization (any in the universe) can produce such a device/simulation.