100g acrb salt-tek teal discoloration

[infid3l]

Hi guys,

EarthWalkers 100g TEK followed..

this isn't a new TEK as it's based on " Cyb's 50g Hybrid ATB Salt TEK " as seen in this link ! https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...brid_ATB_%27Salt%27_Tek The only difference is this is for 100g ACRB with a step commonly known as Backsalting a mini AB or clean up at the end !

1st image shows the 6th pull separated and without the defat, scraped it yielded 0.061g so not likely worth persuing more in the saved soup.

2nd image shows pulls 1-5 combined and after defat. The colour left behind worries me. Is it the naphtha not properly evap? The indiviudal pull did not have this problem.. same solvent used. It's currently sitting under a fan.

Thoughts?

 

[DreaMTripper]

That is not a healthy colour you are right, it looks blue. What brand of solvent did you use? You can do another mini a/b and use a different solvent to pull or can recrystalize in a different solvent. I would go with the former.
Could it be from the container used?

 

[infid3l]

That is not a healthy colour you are right, it looks blue. What brand of solvent did you use? You can do another mini a/b and use a different solvent to pull or can recrystalize in a different solvent. I would go with the former.
Could it be from the container used?

It's cole mans naphtha for camp stoves. The odd thing is it only occurred on the one tray...where a defat was done. I'm wondering if dishwasher residue could be to blame? Otherwise not sure.. Containers were all glass or HDPE. What would be an ideal solvent instead of naphtha?

 

[Earthwalker]

That is not a healthy colour you are right, it looks blue. What brand of solvent did you use? You can do another mini a/b and use a different solvent to pull or can recrystalize in a different solvent. I would go with the former.
Could it be from the container used?

It's cole mans naphtha for camp stoves. The odd thing is it only occurred on the one tray...where a defat was done. I'm wondering if dishwasher residue could be to blame? Otherwise not sure.. Containers were all glass or HDPE. What would be an ideal solvent instead of naphtha?

I've seen others use Coleman's without a problem , I'm stumped that this has happened to you're hard work .. but not alls lost just redisolve in new solvent then proceed with another mini then repull , zippo or ronsonal lighter fluid is readily available all over the globe also
, otherwise without know what part of the world you're in it's hard to advise you on solvents available .

 

[1ce]

That is not a healthy colour you are right, it looks blue. What brand of solvent did you use? You can do another mini a/b and use a different solvent to pull or can recrystalize in a different solvent. I would go with the former.
Could it be from the container used?

It's cole mans naphtha for camp stoves. The odd thing is it only occurred on the one tray...where a defat was done. I'm wondering if dishwasher residue could be to blame? Otherwise not sure.. Containers were all glass or HDPE. What would be an ideal solvent instead of naphtha?

I've seen others use Coleman's without a problem , I'm stumped that this has happened to you're hard work ..

Unless they have started putting a rust inhibitor in the fuel , otherwise without know what part of the world you're in it's hard to advise you on solvents available .

But blue is the best kind! It must be 97% purity then :O (joking of course)

When in doubt you can always use the msds. You can try redissolving with a different make if naptha. If it's not soap from the dish washer (I always clean my dishes with acetone to be sure) then it may be something soluble in the naptha itself. Plastic or dyes perhaps. So if it occurs again I would move away from naptha and use a different solvent altogether. (At least for this extraction, to be sure it's not carried over into the next re-x).

Hopefully though, recrystalizing it remove this problem for you comepletely.

 

[infid3l]

That is not a healthy colour you are right, it looks blue. What brand of solvent did you use? You can do another mini a/b and use a different solvent to pull or can recrystalize in a different solvent. I would go with the former.
Could it be from the container used?

It's cole mans naphtha for camp stoves. The odd thing is it only occurred on the one tray...where a defat was done. I'm wondering if dishwasher residue could be to blame? Otherwise not sure.. Containers were all glass or HDPE. What would be an ideal solvent instead of naphtha?

I've seen others use Coleman's without a problem , I'm stumped that this has happened to you're hard work .. but not alls lost just redisolve in new solvent then proceed with another mini then repull , zippo or ronsonal lighter fluid is readily available all over the globe also
, otherwise without know what part of the world you're in it's hard to advise you on solvents available .

Thanks, I will procure some vm&p at a local paint shop as that should be more pure. Is there a concern that whatever the "unpure" blue is will migrate over to the new naphtha? Also to note, a large amount of naphtha was evaped to get to this step..possible higher amount of impurity x.

 

[infid3l]

That is not a healthy colour you are right, it looks blue. What brand of solvent did you use? You can do another mini a/b and use a different solvent to pull or can recrystalize in a different solvent. I would go with the former.
Could it be from the container used?

It's cole mans naphtha for camp stoves. The odd thing is it only occurred on the one tray...where a defat was done. I'm wondering if dishwasher residue could be to blame? Otherwise not sure.. Containers were all glass or HDPE. What would be an ideal solvent instead of naphtha?

I've seen others use Coleman's without a problem , I'm stumped that this has happened to you're hard work ..

Unless they have started putting a rust inhibitor in the fuel , otherwise without know what part of the world you're in it's hard to advise you on solvents available .

But blue is the best kind! It must be 97% purity then :O (joking of course)

When in doubt you can always use the msds. You can try redissolving with a different make if naptha. If it's not soap from the dish washer (I always clean my dishes with acetone to be sure) then it may be something soluble in the naptha itself. Plastic or dyes perhaps. So if it occurs again I would move away from naptha and use a different solvent altogether. (At least for this extraction, to be sure it's not carried over into the next re-x).

Hopefully though, recrystalizing it remove this problem for you comepletely.

Thanks, I will definitely do an acteone wipe from now on. Hoping its not dish soap.

 

[DreaMTripper]

That is not a healthy colour you are right, it looks blue. What brand of solvent did you use? You can do another mini a/b and use a different solvent to pull or can recrystalize in a different solvent. I would go with the former.
Could it be from the container used?

It's cole mans naphtha for camp stoves. The odd thing is it only occurred on the one tray...where a defat was done. I'm wondering if dishwasher residue could be to blame? Otherwise not sure.. Containers were all glass or HDPE. What would be an ideal solvent instead of naphtha?

I've seen others use Coleman's without a problem , I'm stumped that this has happened to you're hard work .. but not alls lost just redisolve in new solvent then proceed with another mini then repull , zippo or ronsonal lighter fluid is readily available all over the globe also
, otherwise without know what part of the world you're in it's hard to advise you on solvents available .

Thanks, I will procure some vm&p at a local paint shop as that should be more pure. Is there a concern that whatever the "unpure" blue is will migrate over to the new naphtha? Also to note, a large amount of naphtha was evaped to get to this step..possible higher amount of impurity x.

Thats why you should a mini a/b so the impurity doesnt cross over with the freebase.

 

[infid3l]

Thank you all. Can not be more please with the process, and appreciate the support and replies.

 

[infid3l]

update: after a second mini ab what was left was a deep blue-green mason jar of "dirty" naphtha. VM&P naps was very cheaply found at local paint shop 14/1 Gal. Pulls were crystal clear, evap process is taking far longer than anticipated. Large air mover fan now reversed to blow air across the face of the tray, rather than "sucking". Saved the blue-green death in case somehow something was missed. Must say after the 4th mini ab I really enjoy it. THANKS @EW =)

Oh, could anyone comment on evap temperatures? I will find the msds of this product and link. thx!

 

[DreaMTripper]

I think it couldve been rust inhibitor or something like that.
Lesson learned know your solvent!

V and MP naptha is a commonly used solvent for extractions , the msds looks ok 100% light hydrocarbons.

 

[1ce]

vm&p naptha is legit. I use that myself. I'm glad you got that squared away Naptha does take a while, don't heat it. Instead use a larger pan like a pie dish, then dump it into something else while you precip. Just don't use something so large your evaporation is too hasty and your DMT is now stuck all over the pan :x

 

[infid3l]

I think it couldve been rust inhibitor or something like that.
Lesson learned know your solvent!

V and MP naptha is a commonly used solvent for extractions , the msds looks ok 100% light hydrocarbons.

Thanks. Evap to 50% was successful, freeze is on, and naps crystal clear and milky. Hopefully this is the last mini swim does on this batch.

 

[infid3l]

vm&p naptha is legit. I use that myself. I'm glad you got that squared away Naptha does take a while, don't heat it. Instead use a larger pan like a pie dish, then dump it into something else while you precip. Just don't use something so large your evaporation is too hasty and your DMT is now stuck all over the pan :x

It was a large amount to evap in the bowl as it was, transfered to a flat cake pan with more surface area exposed to a fan. Fan was re-oriented to push air across the solvent rather than pulling it. Seemed to work much better. (upside down-rightside up) Hopefully nothing was lost in the murky additives. Thanks for your input. swim mentioned using a heat dish to warm the room or a flood light, the 500w style. swim also thinks any heat + solvents is scary.

 

[1ce]

Nah hahhaha it ain't scary! If you use no flames/sparks it's fine. Just don't flood the place with fumes. You don't want to be inhaling it and your neighbors won't like the smell.

I just distilled 1.5 liters of vm&p naptha. You can always microwave some water (unless you got one of them safety stoves) and use the water to heat the solvent.

 

[infid3l]

I just distilled 1.5 liters of vm&p naptha.

How was that done? And what does distilation provide for the pulls? Highshcool chemistry was a long time ago for swim.

 

[1ce]

I did it using an oil bath/vacuum. I used a leibig condenser and an ice bath under 5he recieving flask. The purpose for the distillation was merely to purify and recycle my solvents.

 

[Earthwalker]

I just distilled 1.5 liters of vm&p naptha.

How was that done? And what does distilation provide for the pulls? Highshcool chemistry was a long time ago for swim.

Infid3l you're doing just fine mate , Just stick to the fan to pre-evaporate you're naps it's the simplest safest way of doing it , and you don't need to distill or clean up you're naphtha , you even said after the mini it was crystal clear ..:thumb_up: keep up the good work ...8)

I don't no what ice is trying to prove talking all this unessacery lab talk with these over complicated processes .....

 

[1ce]

I just distilled 1.5 liters of vm&p naptha.

How was that done? And what does distilation provide for the pulls? Highshcool chemistry was a long time ago for swim.

Infid3l you're doing just fine mate , Just stick to the fan to pre-evaporate you're naps it's the simplest safest way of doing it , and you don't need to distill or clean up you're naphtha , you even said after the mini it was crystal clear ..:thumb_up: keep up the good work ...8)

I don't no what ice is trying to prove talking all this unessacery lab talk with these over complicated processes .....

Uhm. Wasn't it clear? There's nothing wrong with heating naptha a little bit. I had no idea microwaving water as a safe heat source was all that complicated. :rolls eyes:

 

[Earthwalker]

Uhm. Wasn't it clear? There's nothing wrong with heating naptha a little bit. I had no idea microwaving water as a safe heat source was all that complicated. :rolls eyes:

I did it using an oil bath/vacuum. I used a leibig condenser and an ice bath under 5he recieving flask. The purpose for the distillation was merely to purify and recycle my solvents.

Don't play stupid ice ,, I'm referring to this ^^^ , this ( Precipitating DMT at room temperature? ) here's a thought just let it evaporate .......:? And STB total failure - Welcome discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus and advice given by

It seems to me, (someone w no organic chemistry background) that you're way over-complicating things.

Just search the forum for "Cyb's Hybrid ATB Salt tek", and follow it step for step.

Also, even though my experience is extremely limited, I've not come across any teks that use dichloromethane. Why did you add this?

In my experience, (of extracting beautiful, white crystals on 3 occasions; 3 successful extractions from 3 attempts) vacuum filters and sep funnels are simply not needed to efficiently extract spice.

Maybe just humble yourself with regard to your chem skills and don't reinvent the wheel, ya know?

Best of luck on the next try!:thumb_up:

and all you're other posts with all the lab equipment and big words over thinking things , I really don't no who you're trying to impress but it's all abit unessacery , simplicity is key to relate to the normal person , just chill out abit and you don't have to try to impress all the time .....and if you're eyes are rolling don't take then out of there sockets cause they could just happen to roll under the couch and then you'll be in trouble ..:shock: