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16 Years on Chronic Weed // A Historical Anecdotal Analysis (Plans to Quit)

The thread was about cannabis addiction, it's debilitating effects, the difficulties in quitting and the likely pitfalls and biases which make this process more difficult. The discussion of how it is not a problem for everyone, and how there are exceptions, people who function well despite their high and regular use, leads us off the main issue. When a person with a long history talks about their struggles, I think their issues should take the foreground. The acknowledgement of this problem and it's complexities and difficulties should be the main focus.
The other issue is, as I already mentioned, weed is too often perceived as a harmless substance. We ought to be careful how our narrative may strengthen that view. It is not a harmless substance, and it's frequent use can be very debilitating and that is true for most people, even if there are many exceptions to this. If it works wonderfully for you, and you talk about it without a clear disclaimer that this is not usually the case, someone else might feel assured in their view and feel encouraged to continue on with their consumption.
Cool. I'll bow out then. 🙇‍♂️

Be well. Much love ❤️

One love

Edit: to be clear, I was exploring the idea of addiction. I didn't say or encourage anyone to do anything, and I spoke about myself and my experience only.

Edit: Also, you don't control the discussion. It's @CosmicRiver thread. But I get it. I'm triggering people, so again, I'll bow out.
 
Not to derail this thread, but i'm curious if people here have also felt that frequent cannabis usage has somehow affected their psychedelic journeys as well.

I think that for me this probably has been the case, though i'm not 100% sure if there is indeed a causal relation. But the times i used weed chronically, i think my experiences used to be more superficial.
But maybe it even goes further than that, because i don't use cannabis on a daily base anymore, but i've used cannabis once on a day prior to taking ayahuasca and another time the day before taking LSD, and those two experiences also where somehow lacking in a way.
I did a two night solo Ayahuasca journey, over a decade ago. I was sure of the genuine Peruvian providence of the medicine, and certainly journeyed deeply, but received nothing I could verbalise, until I thought the journeying was done, and was questioning myself as to whether I should force a purge, when the undeniable download/message came:
YOU JUST NEED TO BE YOURSELF...........AND THIS REQUIRES SOBRIETY.
I have had many conversations with myself as to what, exactly, was meant by 'sobriety'. Obviously, my natural tendency towards the lush side of life, meant all of me was rebelling against any notion that any kind of straight edge lifestyle could be the key to unlocking my potential. I mean, fuck that, right? I know you feel me.
However, I could undeniably see that if there was a certain substance my system could do without the constant immersion in, it was marijuana, and subsequent attempts at abstinence have shown me that constant exposure not only has nothing more to teach me, it brings out the worst of my natures.
Does my use still help in some ways? Maybe, I guess, but I do feel like this is the drug helping with the disconnect it is itself creating.
I absolutely fucking LOVE marijuana, and there is the rub, it's going to be very difficult to get any kind of impartial feedback from me on the subject, but I have done enough work, with the help of other molecules, to know that only very occasional use of this wonderful plant teacher is beneficial to my organism.
Now, to persuade the conscious 'me' of this unpalatable reality.
 

I'd love to be a high elf 😂

All this addiction is in our heads. The problem is always in the mind and how we work with it. We are all different representations of the Cosmos. You are a unique, beautiful spark of life that exists for a short moment and disappears back into space. Some people have better focus, willpower, and attitude. So what? No one can be like you, no matter how hard they try. Enjoy being you!

Love it all - love your lack of character, love your addictions, love your dysfunctional life. A story is better than no story at all. That is what we get in a good psychedelic session - we are glad to be alive, period. Being alive means that you can do whatever you want: smoke some weed, do not smoke, have sex, or go celibate for a decade. You even have an option to end it all, God forbid. We are as free as the wind, and any notion of addiction is just a fantasy. It is a mirage in the sky that you make into something substantial yourself.

Even the story of how hard it is is just a story. We use substances because we cannot handle sobriety; we cannot handle our normal life. The basic motivator is pain. However, all it gives us is a painkiller effect. Even psychedelics can only show you the pain, and you need to deal with it yourself in your day-to-day sober life. We can hide from it all for years or directly face it without any crutches. Who said that facing pain would be pain-free? No, it is almost unbearable, but "almost" because you can bear it and move on. That is the magic of our mind - there are no limits apart from the limits we set for ourselves. That is the main message of spirituality, too. The Spirit has no bounds. You cannot cut space, and you are space no matter what you believe.

Viva Santa Maria 🙏

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I think the reason why one is seeking the 'addiction' is more important than the substance itself.

For me, personally, it is typically to escape from a certain reality that doesn't fit my own being.

At first I have to identify a certain behavior as escape-behavior. Thereafter finding out which reality triggers this escape-behavior and then changing that reality, or the perception of it, often stops the behavior.

That seems to work for me. I have applied it previously to heavily smoking cigarettes and marijuana use from wake-up to bedtime. Although back then (decades ago) I didn't really realize I was doing it that way.

And now, most recently, applied it to my alcohol abuse.

I do feel that my marijuana use did open my eyes with respect to the possibility of perception-shifts. Not sure which insights cigarettes gave me. Maybe that was for practice purposes.

Of course this is my current perception of it, which are changing constantly.

A good rule of thumb, for me at least, is to run the observation of the escape-behavior by my heart and assess the feelings coming out. Letting the heart lead your perceptions-acceptance seems to create a better fit for your being.

If it doesn't feel right/good or makes you anxious/angry/etc it deserves a closer analysis. The ego/brain is a good analyzer.

🦋
 
Not to derail this thread, but i'm curious if people here have also felt that frequent cannabis usage has somehow affected their psychedelic journeys as well.

I think that for me this probably has been the case, though i'm not 100% sure if there is indeed a causal relation. But the times i used weed chronically, i think my experiences used to be more superficial.
But maybe it even goes further than that, because i don't use cannabis on a daily base anymore, but i've used cannabis once on a day prior to taking ayahuasca and another time the day before taking LSD, and those two experiences also where somehow lacking in a way.

I think it's ok to derail the thread a bit. Cannabis is a broad topic and we seem to all be learning more by sharing our experiences and perspectives.

It's always amazing how much individual variation there is with it, and even how it can change in an individual over time. It's probably the most complex psychedelic in that regard.

It's sort of anti-addictive for me, as it's always been prone to being very psychedelic and intense, but eye opening. My first experiences were like my entire life before that was a dream I'd suddenly/partially became lucid in. I smoke sporadically, sometimes once or twice a week, sometimes a bit more, sometimes much less, and it's very useful to me but I wait till the end of the day and gradually increase the amount to avoid anxiety/a jacked heart rate. I don't usually enjoy smoking all day everyday and start to quickly feel fried and lazy but everyone is of course so different. It also oddly kills my appetite. But when I'm sick I enjoy it in much higher amounts/frequency.

Anyways, in regards to your post, I noticed that smoking a day or two before a psychedelic session was useful because it forced me to face my anxieties/baggage/shadow etc ahead of time, which seemed to help with letting go quicker on the psychedelic. I don't notice a reduction in effects.

I really enjoy mixing it with ayahuasca/rue/harmalas personally. Seems to bring out the best of both for me, and inhibits much of the weed anxiety while the cannabis smooths out the nausea. LSD or mushrooms are a different story though and it can massively intensify it for me but also increase the risk of anxiety/paranoia.
 
All love to the plant Spirit of marijuana, she really is a special one, and she can help so many people in so many different ways, but for me, the journey is ending, and it's going to be a little bit sad, but it is what it is.

I know that a lot more happiness is around the corner without Mary J.
Fingers crossed for you, you can make it.👍
Imo you appears to be one of the people who will benefit greatly from abandoning cannabis use, but be careful to not substitute it with other substances. You use it for some (maybe fully or partially unknown to you) reason and this reason will not dissapear by stopping cannabis. It's not only about molecules and receptors. Professional help could be of use for you.

I consume cannabis for more than 30 years. It had very profound impact on my life, reaching from very positive (of course for its friendly psychedelic effects, but it also strongly contributed to saving myself from spiraling into heroin and meth use in my 20ties) to quite negative (abuse to the point of burnout and superlaziness little bit later).

As I get older it is no longer so important for me and I can use it only in small amounts, otherwise side effects dominates and I cannot enjoy it.
Most helpful for normalizing my use have been ayahuasca or psilohuasca's help and regular abstinence periods.

Abstaining from cannabis is part of my dieta before working with entheogens.
 
OPENED a can of worms here sorry ya'll!

I would like to add one thing, and this is important. Some people, like MDMA never lose "the magic"..they call it.

Cannabis is useful for only very few things for me.. enhancing psychedelics, and keeping me somewhat dopamine stable during a medical situation I'm going through.

I do not find that it anymore, where it used to for many years, help with my chronic pain, stress, anxiety, social life (although I do smoke with people), it doesn't make me anymore curious, introspective, or really anything from an "altered state perspective." If it did, the conversation would be different. It used to to all of those things, it just doesnt anymore

Therefore, I feel that + pairing with the dream suppression just leads me to want a few years off because you really just don't know till you know. At 450 days off, I was literally a completely different person in a lot of good ways. That's not to say people can't be that person while still smoking their brains out.

I personally, on average, take 4-8 dabs a day; by absolute definition, this is addictive behavior and always chasing the dopamine level that keeps me comfortable.

Just getting bored of it, it's not going anywhere either, which helps, if life is worse without weed, I have no problems being high 24/7 again like I currently am, but id like to add that I have 0 shame being high 24/7 similar to what @jaime01 was really saying. Like, I don't fucking care either way. I just gotta give it up for now to peek around the curtain again because i've been high for 10 years straight with barely a day off.
 
Great thread starter! It seems as though many Nexians can relate to everyday cannabis use and its implications in health and well-being, especially if you're considering reducing consumption or slowing up and stopping, altogether.

I too am going through these similar changes but I wouldn't really know where to begin. Anyways, here it goes.

My journey with cannabis started at the age of 17yrs old up until my current age of 32yrs old. I smoked the herb daily, sometimes multiple times a day for the first 11yrs. I eventually eased off the herb for a number of weeks (almost a month) and switched to low dose edibles (daily). This lasted for 3 1/2yrs. That ended just over 4 months ago. I cannot even begin to describe the with-drawl effects of long-term, regular cannabis use. Endless sleepless nights, night terrors, bodily shaking, emotional issues, memory problems, uncontrollable stress, difficulties at work, difficulties with neighbors, and anxiety tied to all those effects.

My dream state was mostly in a dark place for over a decade. And now, it has never been more clearer and sharper. As if it has awaken from a long-awaited slumber. A process of healing has unfolded ever since I stopped smoking. Switching to edibles was the first step, and slowly tapering off of edibles was the second step. This took nearly a month to navigate, and fortunately, ended quite smoothly. My quality of sleep was really beginning to improve, amongst other things. I said farewell to my last 5mg edible before swallowing and life's been pretty good for the past few months. However, I am convinced that my heavy cannabis use altered how my melatonin functions. So, with the help of melatonin, L-theanine, 5-HTP, and skullcap (Scutellaria lateriflora) at nighttime, my quality of sleep and mental health has significantly improved, which has enhanced other areas of my life. Its been a real struggle but I believe I have successfully matured in a way where my mind no longer sees cannabis as a requirement but as a limited tool. When I smell or see others smoking the legal herb, it doesn't bother me, rather, reinforces my current understanding of my own struggles regarding the use of cannabis and where I see myself in the world.

I don't know where'd I be if it weren't for cannabis. The path that it has lead me down was of great significance and wisdom. Musically, creatively, intellectually, spiritually, socially, to me cannabis is a quintessential plant with multi-use applications. That being said, nothing seemingly good lasts forever. And parting ways was the only viable solution in order for me to see through the muddy waters and regain my health back. I have a lot of respect for the plant but when the body starts showing signs of pain it's time to reconsider what you regard as a plant ally and drive your mind forward. I know I did.

Cannabis has done enough for me and I plan to move forward without it. I hope everyone finds their own path of healing with cannabis.
 
Great thread starter! It seems as though many Nexians can relate to everyday cannabis use and its implications in health and well-being, especially if you're considering reducing consumption or slowing up and stopping, altogether.

I too am going through these similar changes but I wouldn't really know where to begin. Anyways, here it goes.

My journey with cannabis started at the age of 17yrs old up until my current age of 32yrs old. I smoked the herb daily, sometimes multiple times a day for the first 11yrs. I eventually eased off the herb for a number of weeks (almost a month) and switched to low dose edibles (daily). This lasted for 3 1/2yrs. That ended just over 4 months ago. I cannot even begin to describe the with-drawl effects of long-term, regular cannabis use. Endless sleepless nights, night terrors, bodily shaking, emotional issues, memory problems, uncontrollable stress, difficulties at work, difficulties with neighbors, and anxiety tied to all those effects.

My dream state was mostly in a dark place for over a decade. And now, it has never been more clearer and sharper. As if it has awaken from a long-awaited slumber. A process of healing has unfolded ever since I stopped smoking. Switching to edibles was the first step, and slowly tapering off of edibles was the second step. This took nearly a month to navigate, and fortunately, ended quite smoothly. My quality of sleep was really beginning to improve, amongst other things. I said farewell to my last 5mg edible before swallowing and life's been pretty good for the past few months. However, I am convinced that my heavy cannabis use altered how my melatonin functions. So, with the help of melatonin, L-theanine, 5-HTP, and skullcap (Scutellaria lateriflora) at nighttime, my quality of sleep and mental health has significantly improved, which has enhanced other areas of my life. Its been a real struggle but I believe I have successfully matured in a way where my mind no longer sees cannabis as a requirement but as a limited tool. When I smell or see others smoking the legal herb, it doesn't bother me, rather, reinforces my current understanding of my own struggles regarding the use of cannabis and where I see myself in the world.

I don't know where'd I be if it weren't for cannabis. The path that it has lead me down was of great significance and wisdom. Musically, creatively, intellectually, spiritually, socially, to me cannabis is a quintessential plant with multi-use applications. That being said, nothing seemingly good lasts forever. And parting ways was the only viable solution in order for me to see through the muddy waters and regain my health back. I have a lot of respect for the plant but when the body starts showing signs of pain it's time to reconsider what you regard as a plant ally and drive your mind forward. I know I did.

Cannabis has done enough for me and I plan to move forward without it. I hope everyone finds their own path of healing with cannabis.
Can relate to this so much. And started at 17 now 32 as well haha! Your long taper seems super structured, I get bad withdrawal too but not like that. Seems like that bit is sooooo different for everyone.

One thing just to note is you said you've been off 4 months, in my experience this is where window #1 opens up (you're experiencing this now) and in such a healthy way.

I can't wait for you to hit window 2 at a year, because in my experience that's when it's truly truly way out of you. People say it takes a month to get it out. yeah right, I failed drug tests 2.5 months off dabs before.

Proud of what you've done and hope to be in a similar place sooner than later. thanks for sharing
 
Can relate to this so much. And started at 17 now 32 as well haha! Your long taper seems super structured, I get bad withdrawal too but not like that. Seems like that bit is sooooo different for everyone.

One thing just to note is you said you've been off 4 months, in my experience this is where window #1 opens up (you're experiencing this now) and in such a healthy way.

I can't wait for you to hit window 2 at a year, because in my experience that's when it's truly truly way out of you. People say it takes a month to get it out. yeah right, I failed drug tests 2.5 months off dabs before.

Proud of what you've done and hope to be in a similar place sooner than later. thanks for sharing
Thank you for the encouragement! Something deep inside of me has shifted, a calling if you will.

Yeah, coming off the herb affects everyone differently. Its good to be mindful on how people approach it. The way I see things now is the less I think about it the better things are getting. My goal has already been completed, so that's it. It's over. Be careful not to set your goals too high, because once you've reached them then becomes easy to find ways to reward yourself. A decision must be made. No strings attached, no rewards given. Only forward motion into life.
 
I knew for example you were a cannabis user before ever seeing you post about it, from recognizing the unmistakable cannabis use pattern in the way and frequency you talked about smoking changa.

I knew that you were a telepathic pancake eater even before seeing your username. I too have dabbled in eating pancakes, only to watch my life spiral out of control.

While a stack of pancakes, here and there, may not be such a big deal, when you find yourself eating pancakes for breakfast, lunch, and dinner (and snacking on them, in between), it may be a sign to cut down, or stop altogether.

In my case, I knew that I had gone too far when I started dabbing maple syrup and putting blueberries up my nose. Others may not reach these depths, and can simply have a bit of pancakes on the weekends, as I once did.

For some, going cold turkey on the pancake front may be the best option, while others may choose moderation - it is for each individual to decide what is best for them.

In the immortal words of a great poet - beyond the duality of pancakes and syrup, there is a field, I’ll meet you there.
 
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I'm happy to be in control of my cannabis use for more than a decade ... I have one or two joints in the late evenings now , never again in the day time ...

I didn't have anything for the last three months but got something yesterday !

I ate three HBWR seeds yesterday afternoon , i was expecting something smooth and rather light as usual but the seeds were much bigger than the usuals ...
I was very high with a bad body load . i then thought of smoking a joint to ease the body load , it worked fine but i got so high instantly :oops: i had to lay down in my bed , i've never been so high with such a low dose !

Anytime i'm having LSA , the taste of cannabis is awesome , i don't know if i'm the only one to experience that feeling but it sure tastes great to me ;)

What a ride !

I defenatly enjoy cannabis to enhance psychadelics :giggle:
 
Santa Maria feels awesome after a light rue tea (1–2g), and it might reignite people's passion for the herb. You've never heard this from me 🤫😈
I should check that out for sure ! :giggle: (y) But i'm off the Rue atm because it seems the MAO blocks and ruined my left Psylo trip ! :rolleyes: I know it's the contrary for some ... I have good truffles left and would like to enjoy , i'm waiting a few days to do them , MAO free ;) Thanks for the tip @northape , i will surely try ...
 
I should check that out for sure ! :giggle: (y) But i'm off the Rue atm because it seems the MAO blocks and ruined my left Psylo trip ! :rolleyes: I know it's the contrary for some ... I have good truffles left and would like to enjoy , i'm waiting a few days to do them , MAO free ;) Thanks for the tip @northape , i will surely try ...
Rue could be tricky, and it can block some plants. Actually, some plants can block rue. Whatever the case, any combos need time to mature.
You can always powder a handful of seeds and use it as incense on a shisha coal in your psylo trip. It should have enough effect, and you'd start marrying these two that way.
Just an idea 💡
 
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Mmmmm that brings back memories. I grew up in a pancake-eating culture, where eating pancakes was normalized, and they were even given cute-sounding names, like “ahlahduhshki” - little did I know of the darkness that remained unspoken in those formative years of my life.
I know of the aforementioned "ahlahduhshki" from some direct experience, but I'm more into common pancakes nowadays. I store my pancakes in the form of fat around the waist and have already saved a few kg from this dark period of the year. Sadly, my workouts like to eat pancakes too, so it's a constant battle between us. Kettlebell swings + pancakes = muscles. I own a dedicated pancake pan if it tells you anything 😆
 
Besides , i'm so glad that a little Rue helps so much to fall assleep , Great medecine !
I'm not sure whether you're talking about "plain Pancakes" or some "funny" ones ! :unsure:
 
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