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2012 Reconsidered; Updated
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DMTripper said:everythingsflashin said:
Yes there are plenty of them. Maybe some of them just don't like to argue about 2012 'cause the think it's a waste of time
The universe itself for the most part is utterly inexplicable and seemingly beyond our comprehension, however, to not openly speculate and discuss ideas is anathema to the human enterprise. I concede to the ineffable presence of the universe, but I cannot solely observe it, keeping to myself; that to me, would be blasphemy. We need consensus; to say that discussing ideas is a waste of time is laughable, as long as the ideas in question are not absolutely preposterous* and serve no purpose for the greater understanding of the human drama. How you view a certain idea depends on your bias and temperament; 2012 is obviously chock full of stigma, but if you can take a little time, to as they say, "read between the lines", I think that you will see that we are in fact heading toward uncharted territory in regards to the planet's future and our own well being.
Or not.
*Science gets to run wild with speculation, so why not metaphysics/eschatology? (It has) Post-Einstein, there has been a gaping hole in our understanding of the universe and it is only widening. I agree that the vast majority of 2012 discussion is indeed pseudo-scientific and downright pointless, however, as I have been saying, there very well could be a little germ of truth behind such apprehension.
Or not.
As for the arguing part; I have found that the people who want to argue over 2012 are the scientific materialists who feel threatened by such speculation, or as I could also see, they are downright "offended" by such naivete. There is one little problem here, though, and that is, if you are an intellectual and are of a sound mind, you would realize that such negative verbiage is pointless and the only way to address such dialogue is by open ended discussion, not condemnation.
That's why scientists get the bad rap as being so elitist. However, many religious figures have been much, much worse and that stigma is with metaphysics still, unfortunately. Perhaps it is a necessary hurdle for the intellectual?
Or not.
Peace.
Scientists totally understand that the universe thrives with unanswered questions and they do their best to explore them. But they like to walk with caution and not jump to conclusions.DMTripper said:everythingsflashin said:
Yes there are plenty of them. Maybe some of them just don't like to argue about 2012 'cause the think it's a waste of time
970Codfert
Rising Star
This theory I find interested, but please know that I don't believe this to be 100% truth, I don't subscribe to his theory or try to spread it as truth, I am just as skeptical as the next guy...
to me, Greg Braden has probably the best hypothesis on 2012. He wrote a book about it (duh), saying that 2012 doesn't necessarily mark an inevitable destruction or consciousness shift, but that 2012, not specifically the 21st, but this period in history, is an opportunity for changes in the human psyche. He bases his theory on how our changing position relative to the center of the galaxy causes more radiation and solar wind to bombard the planet at different times due to our galaxy traveling through space. The added radiation theoretically causes subtle genetic mutations. I've heard some interesting theories about life on Earth (completely separate from 2012 jargon) that suggests this same cycle has helped life evolve faster and become more complex over eons by the added radiation, plus the relatively high amount of radiation that the Earth's crust already puts off.
So basically hes saying that we have the opportunity to become more enlightened as a result of increased radiation and solar wind and the effects that subtle mutations would have on our genes or brain or some shit I'd don't know.
This is not my theory, its Greg Braden's, so look him up if you want the details. I like this theory because it doesn't say that anything will happen FOR SURE, there's no endogenous DMT release, no destruction, no heavenly intelligence; it leaves it up to us. I'm already on a quest for knowledge and enlightenment, so if he's right I'm already in a good position and so are all the people here on the NEXUS.
That's my last 2012 thread contribution
to me, Greg Braden has probably the best hypothesis on 2012. He wrote a book about it (duh), saying that 2012 doesn't necessarily mark an inevitable destruction or consciousness shift, but that 2012, not specifically the 21st, but this period in history, is an opportunity for changes in the human psyche. He bases his theory on how our changing position relative to the center of the galaxy causes more radiation and solar wind to bombard the planet at different times due to our galaxy traveling through space. The added radiation theoretically causes subtle genetic mutations. I've heard some interesting theories about life on Earth (completely separate from 2012 jargon) that suggests this same cycle has helped life evolve faster and become more complex over eons by the added radiation, plus the relatively high amount of radiation that the Earth's crust already puts off.
So basically hes saying that we have the opportunity to become more enlightened as a result of increased radiation and solar wind and the effects that subtle mutations would have on our genes or brain or some shit I'd don't know.
This is not my theory, its Greg Braden's, so look him up if you want the details. I like this theory because it doesn't say that anything will happen FOR SURE, there's no endogenous DMT release, no destruction, no heavenly intelligence; it leaves it up to us. I'm already on a quest for knowledge and enlightenment, so if he's right I'm already in a good position and so are all the people here on the NEXUS.
That's my last 2012 thread contribution
everythingsflashin
Rising Star
970Codfert that is one of the main points of david wilcock's theory of 2012. except in his theory the torsion fields (you gotta look that up yourself, too much to explain) emitted from the center of the galaxy (which he considers to be conscious energy) sort of forces us to evolve. he states that if you follow evolution throughout earth history, there are unexplained leaps in evolution with no notifiable transition phase. these leaps in evolution coincide exactly with the torsion fields colliding with our solar system.
he uses an example in one of his interviews of an experiment done by a certain doctor whos name i cant remember where a no heat laser is shined through a salamander embryo and then deflected into a frog embryo. according to david, the frog embryo completely reconstructed itself into a salamander embryo and grew to be a fully mature salamander, capable of mating with others, with no genetic evidence of it having ever been a frog. that is what he is trying to say is happening with the solar system. we are getting a genetic upgrade from the galaxy.
i havent actually done any research on this alleged experiment so i cant account for its validity. but consider this next experiment.
a strand of DNA was placed in a container and light (photons) was shined at it. the photons were drawn to the DNA and moved along the spiral of the strand. when the DNA was removed, the light continued to follow its spiral for 30 days.
once again i cannot account for the validity of this experiment. i am only relaying theories and information.
he uses an example in one of his interviews of an experiment done by a certain doctor whos name i cant remember where a no heat laser is shined through a salamander embryo and then deflected into a frog embryo. according to david, the frog embryo completely reconstructed itself into a salamander embryo and grew to be a fully mature salamander, capable of mating with others, with no genetic evidence of it having ever been a frog. that is what he is trying to say is happening with the solar system. we are getting a genetic upgrade from the galaxy.
i havent actually done any research on this alleged experiment so i cant account for its validity. but consider this next experiment.
a strand of DNA was placed in a container and light (photons) was shined at it. the photons were drawn to the DNA and moved along the spiral of the strand. when the DNA was removed, the light continued to follow its spiral for 30 days.
once again i cannot account for the validity of this experiment. i am only relaying theories and information.
You got a reference of this experiment? Has it been published in peer-reviewed journal?everythingsflashin said:
It's called the Phantom DNA experiment. It was conducted in the early 1990's by a Russian Physicist named Vladimir Popinine(SP?). Both David Wilcock and Gregg Braden make reference to this experiment. Braden talks about it and shows an example in his "Science of Miracles" talk.
@ 5:45
I would recommend watching the whole series of videos, very intersting stuff.
@ 5:45
I would recommend watching the whole series of videos, very intersting stuff.
everythingsflashin
Rising Star
nice, saidin. its Popopin and he worked with Dr. Peter Gariaev on the experiments.
read this,
read this,
Sound, Intention & Genetic Healing
DNA directs cellular metabolism and replication not just biochemically but electromagnetically through mechanisms that translate sound into light waves, and vice versa.
www.byregion.net
Delta-9-THC
Rising Star
I think some of you guys are guilty of the minimization of mystery. I pulled this from the wiki on quantum mind and it describes some of your arguments perfectly.
"Minimization of Mystery
The philosopher David Chalmers half-jokingly claims that the motivation for Quantum Mind theories is: "a Law of Minimization of Mystery: consciousness is mysterious and quantum mechanics is mysterious, so maybe the two mysteries have a common source." [2]"
You guys are guilty of the same thing: trying to relate DMT and 2012 when there is really no evidence of a relationship.
Speculation is good but it has to be grounded in sound logic and exercised with hefty skepticism.
I do think the universe is most likely infinite so I suppose anything is possible but you cannot know anything for sure. It really is beyond our perspective.
"Minimization of Mystery
The philosopher David Chalmers half-jokingly claims that the motivation for Quantum Mind theories is: "a Law of Minimization of Mystery: consciousness is mysterious and quantum mechanics is mysterious, so maybe the two mysteries have a common source." [2]"
You guys are guilty of the same thing: trying to relate DMT and 2012 when there is really no evidence of a relationship.
Speculation is good but it has to be grounded in sound logic and exercised with hefty skepticism.
I do think the universe is most likely infinite so I suppose anything is possible but you cannot know anything for sure. It really is beyond our perspective.
everythingsflashin
Rising Star
personally, i dont really believe that DMT has anything to do with 2012 at all. however, just as you say delta 9, i believe the two are connected mysteriously due to the fact that they both were created and designed by the divine consciousness.
wake and bacon
Rising Star
Infundibulum said:Scientists totally understand that the universe thrives with unanswered questions and they do their best to explore them. But they like to walk with caution and not jump to conclusions.DMTripper said:everythingsflashin said:
Yes there are plenty of them. Maybe some of them just don't like to argue about 2012 'cause the think it's a waste of time
Great quote I would like to post here dealing with a similar topic, you guys might enjoy reading it...
John Rattray said:
wake and bacon
Rising Star
Big Inhale said:
Have you seen other forums?
But isn't everything created and designed by the divine consciousness, (if you believe in that sort of thing)?everythingsflashin said:
So following that logic, one could make an argument that the crud under your toe nails (or any item/person/place/thing you could think of) is the big key to consciousness changing in 2012.
Right?
WS
everythingsflashin
Rising Star
not quite warrensaged. indeed everything WAS created through divine consciousness. however, your logic is off. just because things are made by the same person doesnt necessarily mean that they effect each other. i believe DMT plays a huge role in expanding our consciousness, but whether or not we had even discovered DMT to begin with, 2012 would still happen. DMT is an earthly thing (yes it may possibly be present on other planets), 2012 and the shift in consciousness is a galactic event. the only thing that affects it is our consciousness. it doesnt really matter if DMT exists or not.
everythingsflashin said:
I'm going to have to disagree with you on this and may I suggest not slinging comments like, "your logic is off"; they get you nowhere and just make you look a little silly.
In my opinion, of course.
"...just because things are made by the same person"
I must say that your metaphysics is off on this one, solely because God or "Divine Intelligence" as you put it, certainly isn't any one person. "It" is a "being" which is essentially consciousness itself; the entire cosmos as a collective whole. It is ineffable and almost entirely incomprehensible. No single word can wrap itself around such a concept; it isn't possible, language doesn't allow it. The best thing we have is metaphors.
The crud under your fingernails is just as holy and sacred as every other part of our conscious universe.
Every part of the whole is necessary and being necessary, each part is essential for the unfolding of the cosmic drama itself. I believe you are guilty of anthropomorphizing the Godhead; which is entirely understandable, as this has been going on for millenia. The only reason why we perceive ourselves to be cosmically "special" as humans (which leads us to anthropomorphize the Godhead) is because we are on the supposed top (or bottom) of the evolutionary spiral of consciousness. This, however, doesn't mean that we are any closer to God, because the vast majority of people whom have ever lived have been just as unconscious of the Godhead as the animals we descended (or ascended) from. We are all an interconnected whole that is held together by a veil of illusion which keeps us from figuring ourselves out until the precisely determined moment that history has foreseen as the Eschaton.
In my opinion, of course.
"it doesn't really matter if DMT exists or not"
I don't even know how to reply to this particular quote, because it negates almost entirely what you said preceding it. And as far as 2012 being a galactic event; what is that supposed to even mean?
Just keeping you on your toes.
Peace.
everythingsflashin
Rising Star
first off, i am well aware that divine consciousness is not a single person. i was merely minimizing the concept. i firmly believe that everything is god (just using a familiar term) and god is everything.
what i mean by DMT not mattering and 2012 being a galactic event is that IMO 2012 is caused by particular galactic alignments and torsion fields. the process is not one that we are in control of. however, it will be what we make of it. smoking DMT or consuming ayahuasca is not going to effect that process. the only thing it will do is show us the splendor and possibilities of the universe. it will probably also assist us individually by expanding our consciousness and making the transition easier, but as for affecting the entire process id have to say no.
remember, this is just my opinion.
what i mean by DMT not mattering and 2012 being a galactic event is that IMO 2012 is caused by particular galactic alignments and torsion fields. the process is not one that we are in control of. however, it will be what we make of it. smoking DMT or consuming ayahuasca is not going to effect that process. the only thing it will do is show us the splendor and possibilities of the universe. it will probably also assist us individually by expanding our consciousness and making the transition easier, but as for affecting the entire process id have to say no.
remember, this is just my opinion.
What I was trying to address is that it seems to me, like a lot of folks who are interested in DMT & interested in these 2012 theory's, like to make some great cosmic connection between the two.everythingsflashin said:
It usually seems to me like if these same people where really, really into ice cream sandwiches & the 2012 theory's, then it would be the great galactic ice cream sandwich convergence that we would be discussing here.
I just do not see any connection between these two things, beyond a few people who have an extremely focused interest in both & active imaginations!
WS
Ayawasqero
Esteemed member
everythingsflashin said:
There will be no 2013.
