25mg vs 50mg vs 100mg breakthroughs

[Gianluca]

As you increase the dosage do breakthroughs end up getting extremely intense?

Right now I'm still sticking with 25mg as I've been having some insane breaktrhoughs already , but I was just curious if doubling the dosage just doubles,triples,quadruples the breakthrough.

Cause sometimes 25mg is an incredible breakthrough,sometimes its not too much. But I do dream about higher breakthroughs(but not until I'm ready, which won't be for a bit).

 

[3rdI]

100mg would turn a dream into a nightmare very very quickly:surprised .

I have a feeling that if your vaping efficiently and slowly upped your dosage you would get nowhere near 100mg.

My largest dose was 120mg of 1:1 infused herb, it shook me go my core for many months and it will be a while til I do that again.

 

[corpus callosum]

IME, the dose response curve is certainly not linear (assuming the dose is always consumed in one breath and vaped optimally), and Im not sure that 'exponential' is an adequate descriptor.With the GVG at 40mgs its a very different experience than the sought-after breakthrough (25-30mg for me) and the doses beyond this (upto 45-50mg) become chaotic in pace and the imagery/experiential field is closer to what one sees in the normal state than the visuals at 25-30mg.Hard to imagine? You bet.

Its completely different territory IMO, and under no circumstances would I push it beyond 50mg.In fact, Ive no desire to go beyond 25-30mg these days. More does not necessarily mean better with DMT.

 

[Purges]

Nothing wrong with ambition How ever I think it is impossible to quantify how much more intense that sort of dosing would be. Try 30mg and compare to 25mg for instance...

3rdI - dude, that's a 60mg dose :shock: What ever possessed you? I can only imagine what that was like, and even then... And... Is there a TR I can read?

 

[Du57mi73]

100mg breakthroughs are out of control. That's all I'm going to say.

 

[3rdI]

3rdI - dude, that's a 60mg dose :shock: What ever possessed you? I can only imagine what that was like, and even then... And... Is there a TR I can read?

there is indeed my friend, but you have already read it

Sometimes you have to bring the house down.:twisted:

 

[expandaneum]

wow going up to 50 mg.... for me a breakthrough is at 20 to max 30 mg anything above i don't remember, just a feeling of terror when coming back to this world and everything is a confusing mix. If I go to 40 mg I just go knock out (the same feeling) then after some time i regain consciousness, and what is the point of that.

My advise if you want more from dmt (longer and somewhat deeper) go for pharma and not for more vapor.

take care, more is NOT better:wink:

 

[Gianluca]

Thanks guys! Yeah for the most part I was just wondering about bigger doses. I think for now 30mg would be my max for sure. Most of my breakthroughs are pretty long as is, so I'm happy where I'm at now.

I just have my friend that keeps asking to do more but I keep saying now, and now I'm very glad I did. He basically is very happy in life, so all of his breakthroughs have been great for him. Nothing but pure happiness, so that is kind of why I brought this subject up.

I'll let him now that I'll only move him up slowly a few mg bit by bit.

 

[Purges]

3rdI - dude, that's a 60mg dose :shock: What ever possessed you? I can only imagine what that was like, and even then... And... Is there a TR I can read?

there is indeed my friend, but you have already read it

Sometimes you have to bring the house down.:twisted:

Ah yes, how could I forget? What an amazing account.

"No tunnels, no fractals, no colours, no carrier wave, just SMASH. "

This literally just happened to me a few hours ago. But with a poxy 80mg Changa and no acid. The hyper-dimensional rainbow acordian slinky snakes seemed happy to see me... First breakthrough since Christmas time. I had forgotten just how... Unimaginably beautiful / intense / terrifying it was. Looking forward to my next jaunt :thumb_up:

 

[3rdI]

Happy days Mr P, happy days.

Yesterday I came into possession of 10 tabs of goodness, can't wait for NYE:d

 

[Purges]

I thought 10 tabs was just a starter for you though?

 

[3rdI]

Unfortunately its like hens teeth.:x

 

[LaoTzu]

I'm kind of surprised by the responses here, honestly. While I'm still quite inexperienced at breaking through - my 3 breakthroughs this weekend were 25mg, 40mg, and 28mg. The 40mg dose didn't seem to be much more intense than the first one.

I'll have to do some more experimenting once I get my GVG in. These were all done with a volcano bag vaporizer. Also using 20mg harmalas in each, if that matters.

 

[d*l*b]

I sometimes get confused by reading doses here, I have been a GVG convert for a couple of years or more now but it seems not so long ago that the idea was to try and get down 50mg in 3 tokes. I guess at large we use a mix of tools to work with spice but it is hard to understand or talk about dose without knowing the tool.

Back when I was still combusting =) the furthest I went was an accidental experience from not weighing some spice (one of my first few experiences, thought it would be alright not to use a scale) I estimate I ended up with in the region of 120–220mg freebase. With losing some by burning and poor technique there is still a big dose there whatever. The experience itself was very uncomfortable and I came back needing quite a bit of repair! Not an experience I will repeat again!

Since stopping incinerating my spice the most I have worked with is 40mg, this was far too much for the vast majority of occasions but did what it needed to at the time. This very difficult experience was 10mg above my usual almost-guaranteed-breakthrough dose of 30mg but was a world apart, again as with other high dose experiences left me with quite a lot of rebuilding to do after. Not something you want to deal with too often.

 

[anrchy]

Oh man. 50mg is the max I've done and I won't be doing that again.

Like corpus said, it's not linear. Exponential would be closer to explaining how it increases but even then. Anything above 35mg is a completely different animal all together.

50mg was instant. I blacked out the initial onset, woke up inside a terrible loop, when I got out of that mess I became god, pulled out, ffeaked out... Well you get the idea. Glad that one's behind me.

Took months to feel normal.

 

[adam]

Oh man. 50mg is the max I've done and I won't be doing that again.

Like corpus said, it's not linear. Exponential would be closer to explaining how it increases but even then. Anything above 35mg is a completely different animal all together.

50mg was instant. I blacked out the initial onset, woke up inside a terrible loop, when I got out of that mess I became god, pulled out, ffeaked out... Well you get the idea. Glad that one's behind me.

Took months to feel normal.

I know how this one goes, last time I will eyeball a dose:shock: I think I vaped somewhere around 50-60mg when I later pulled out my scale to weigh what I had to compare and see what I smoked.

I had the same type of trip I believe. Getting stuck in a strange in between dimension for who knows how long, only to realize I am God and I broke reality via smoking to much dmt.

Needless to say it was an intensity I would rather not encounter again, especially being as unprepared as I was.

Vaping a 100mg I feel like might actually kill me via a heartattack. That is not an amount that has any value its plain overkill. 50mg is the max of the dose curve I think anyone with good technique would actually want to consume.

30mg is on the high side for me nowadays, it is a definite strong breakthrough dose, with 20-25 mg usually being a comfortable moderate dose.

 

[Metanoia]

My tryptamine tolerance is equal to 3rdI's LSD tolerance, unfortunately. I regularly consume 80 - 100mg 1:1 changa. Even nice recrystalized spice in the GVG I need at least 60mg to blast off. My tolerance to psilocybin is unbelievable. And any other tryptamine I've tried.

But I'm a freak. :lol:

 

[3rdI]

I hate my psychedelic tolerance :x

Gianluca, I think you have the right idea, if you want to proceed then slow and steady wins the race, be the tortoise not the hare.

I also think its important that if you do push on then be prepared to have to do some serious work because one day it will get you, and get you good.

 

[arcologist]

I have some experience with obscenely high doses, though I wouldn't recommend such excess, especially if you seem to be getting full effects with much less.

Back in my idiot youth, I used to smoke DMT using the sandwich method (with cannabis) and would regularly put at least 150mg in the bowl (it was all that would fit, packed down). Granted, I never got the full amount because some was burned, some stayed as residue in the bowl, but I'd still say I was getting at least ~100mg. As an aside, I seem to have a significantly higher tolerance than a lot of people (even once I fixed my technique).

Nothing really compares to a 100mg breakthrough. Those trips would have strong open-eye visuals for 15+ minutes, and I wouldn't be at baseline until 45 minutes later. They could be quite beautiful, though simultaneously violently intense. I only had maybe 2 bad trips out of 20 or 30 100mg doses, and even those were instructive (though I am more level-headed and centered than most people, so I don't often let fear take hold). Most of the important experiences and thoughts would come after the first 5 minutes (which were in general difficult to remember) once I started to come down.

 

[Randomness]

I like to ride the sweet spot with dmt. I find to little and it just makes you a bit wobbly. To much and you can't take it all in (the trip not the vapour)

My favorite experiences have been with multiple breakthrough hits spaced 5 mins or so apart. You can go real deep like this and stay in hyperspace for an hour or two. Stops working after that time and you get nothing from subsequent hits.

Wouldn't like to guess how much dmt gets used doing it like this but I can say it is a special experience.