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2CB, what's the consensus?

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I enjoyed a few 2Cs at uni, but that was before I started looking at psychedelics as an entheogen.

Nowdays, I'd say you are better off with the 'old guard' of LSD, mesc, or shrooms, but it is a question of taste, I guess.
 
I've worked with several of the 2Cs (B, I, and E, mostly I though) a little bit. I'd second what most people here are saying; 2CB is very psychedelic, but not especially entheogenic, and rather hard on the body. The people in my circle at the time that I used it called it "party acid": very visual, makes you trip hard, but lacks the introspection of more traditional psychedelics. I do think it would be interesting to work with these substances more in a serious shamanic set and setting, for the very reason that they don't automatically lend themselves to profundity. It's also worth noting that the shamans of some tribe in South Africa (iirc, can't remember the details) have abandoned their traditional plant teachers, as they're too rare/expensive these days, and just use 2CB instead, claiming that it's just as effective in contacting the ancestors.
 
Found 2C-B to be an incredibly sensual psychedelic, even hedonistic. It really shines when combined with LSD, bringing a more heightened sensual lushness to the experience and with a depth that you won't find with 2C-B alone. That combo would be a once in a blue moon event though, it can be good soul medicine.
 
So I decided 2cb is awesome.

Only ever used it in low doses or in combo with MDMA and wrote it off as more of a body drug with slight colour enhancement. Then a few years ago I had a panic on it which in retrospect had more to do with the cannabis I smoked.

3 years later I thought I'd give it another try and I got it in bulk so.... tried a little... liked it... tried a lot :)
I've only been experimenting with insufflation which aint too comfy, but I the effect seems vastly superior. I stagger doses of about 10mg 10-20 minutes apart. got up to about 60mg so far with minimal mind trickery. I experience mild pins and needles that get stronger at higher doses, but nothing really serious like loss of sensation or discolouration of a limb or anything like that.

I don't really think of it as much of a body drug now. I mean sure it has nice physical sensations, but for me it's the visuals that make it interesting. Very unique. Very HD. I can literally look at small black circle and watch it morph into something very alien and very lifelike and the longer I concentrate on it the more convincing it gets, until it gets right in my face and I flinch and it disappears. I call the game 2cb chicken.
The air at these doses is fully of holographic serpent streamers that seem quite happy to be here and the floor is often cover'd in amphibious creatures.
I also find it inspires me in positive ways and makes me think about my potential in a similar way to how I do with tryptamines. It's amazing for writing jokes too! Suddenly I become the funniest guy I know and I've only taken it solo so far :D Planning to take it with friends soon.

Oh yeah it also passes the arousal and the ketamine test. Synergises with ketamine beautifully. Ketamine alone almost seems like a waste now :)

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For me I've definitely found that the oral route leads to a more physical experience, even though the comeup was much slower. Physical arousal much much heightened to the point it was uncomfortable. OR maybe its just I'm more aware of it because of the lack of burning sensation in my nose. But that not usually an issue with insufflation after 10-15 minutes.

In contrast to mescaline and MDMA, with 2cb I don't want to listen to music or engage in anything other than conversation. I do have the clarity of mind of mescaline though. I live quite a hectic life at the moment and it seems I've missed some things, the 2cb has made me realise and I will act accordingly....digression.... MDMA makes me want to touch everyone and everything and consume everything. I would smoke, drink and sniff anything you put in front of me if I've had enough MDMA. Mescaline makes me want to go for a walk and drink a lot of beer. It's a great outdoors on a summer day in the countryside thing.

2cb makes me want to sit. Sit, observe, think, be thankful. Very much different from 2c-i which is a get up get out and consume affair. Though orally 2cb is closer to 2ci, but then again I never insufflated 2c-i and I certainly wouldn't want to. I've used 2cb 4 out of the last 7 days and I feel no fatiguing or noticeable tolerance. With MDMA, 2ci or even sacred mescaline I imagine Id be a reck by now :)
 
chimmycham said:
In my opinion, these 2c's are to be avoided.

I've tried 2c-i, 2c-e, and 2c-t-2 and they really messed with my head for quite some time.

Of course they were phenomenal when I was on them, but the after effects were not worth it ONE BIT.
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I can only agree with you on 2c-i. But 2C-B I find less stress on body and mind than any other substance I ever experiemented with at length.
 
soulfood said:
2cb makes me want to sit. Sit, observe, think, be thankful. Very much different from 2c-i which is a get up get out and consume affair. Though orally 2cb is closer to 2ci, but then again I never insufflated 2c-i and I certainly wouldn't want to. I've used 2cb 4 out of the last 7 days and I feel no fatiguing or noticeable tolerance. With MDMA, 2ci or even sacred mescaline I imagine Id be a reck by now :)
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I feel the same. It is vesatile because of the change of response at the .mg level and ROA. I enjoy 8-15 mg oral for general social engagement (I don't drink so this is nice to have). Opening me up but not leading to bad behavior and focused empathic conversations. I like to do 21mg oral alone at home and do yoga very slow and deep and maybe insulfate 8mg more to kick in the visuals on occasion.

With this measure religeously, never eyeball EVER. Made the mistake one time and it frightened me. I snorted what I thought was 20mg. My face exploded from the burn. "oh shit I did to much." It hit so fast within 5 min I was wading through intense fractal insanity so thick I could barely see to walk. I really thought I was done for until I calmed down and took an inventory of my vitals. My mind stilled and I began to enjoy it as the intensity leveled out.
From the WIKIPEDIA entry
2C-B is used as entheogen by the Sangoma, Nyanga, and Amagqirha people over their traditional plants; they refer to the chemical as Ubulawu Nomathotholo, which roughly translates to "Medicine of the Singing Ancestors"
For me the intensity of the mind trip is not a typical entheogen experience but maybe a specialized one. I do recommend trying a meditation practice on it. I was amazed at the stillness and focus I could reach. the empathic therapeutic experience I have wih it are valuable to me.
 
It's definitely on my regular therapy list now that's for sure.

My current environment means I can't extract anything and can't grow anything other than cacti and have to be ready for emergencies at all time (I don't drive btw). In my opinion it's way up there with mushrooms and ayahuasca, but not as immersed so I can still deal with society if needed.

The burn is certainly an issue in acheiving higher states. I can cope with the nasal irritation, but the 2C-B hcl I'm using is extremely abrasive on the soft part at the back of the roof of my mouth. It's fine within an hour, but the first 30 minutes is very uncomfortable. But we're talking 40-50mg there. Doses of 10mg are easily managable nasally.

Next dose will be 30mg orally and I'll see what that's like.


It's funny though, the relationship with this chemical now has me intrigue with 2C-E especially, but 2C-t-7/2 and DOM are now on my todo list.... 2C-E mainly. Not anytime soon though for sure. In fact they terrify me, but if Shulgin rates them alongside mescaline and 2C-B... who am I to argue? :)
 
I like your reports of 2C-B soulfood, i often hear it's good as a social psychedelic, for lots of visuals without being overwhelmed and music appreciation, but it's nice to see that you find it makes you want to just sit & be thankful... i suppose it depends on the person taking it and what they want to get out of the experience, for myself hearing about a psychedelic that many people say isn't deeply introspective doesn't make me that keen to try it, i can see how having a purely fun psychedelic is a nice option to have tho

I've got some 2C-B i've been meaning to sample for a while but when it comes down to it i just love LSD too much to take anything else right now!
 
2C-B gave me strong visuals and anxiety, after 2 hours i was left with hard body discomfort, im not tooking it again ever, im not saying 2C-B is bad or else, it´s just not for me.
 
Chronic said:
I like your reports of 2C-B soulfood, i often hear it's good as a social psychedelic, for lots of visuals without being overwhelmed and music appreciation, but it's nice to see that you find it makes you want to just sit & be thankful.
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The time I tried it and had a bad experience I was at a festival with a lot of light installations. Every time a light changed the colour of my surroundings I found it really hard to refocus my vision on what I was seeing. In a still environment I don't have this trouble.

wesker said:
2C-B gave me strong visuals and anxiety, after 2 hours i was left with hard body discomfort, im not tooking it again ever, im not saying 2C-B is bad or else, it´s just not for me.
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I love both 2C-B and LSD and don't see them as a substitute for one and other. I can say I've experienced bad pain on LSD though. This was not a direct physiological link between the effect of the drug, but my state of mind manifesting in negative physical sensation.

Depending on my mood, LSD can be either the most physically transparent or it can make me feel more stimulated and edgy than any other substance I know of. A friend had to council me for 12 hours straight once because I literally felt like my face was going to burst. Completely psychosomatic, but I find LSD can make that logic completely fade. I've since took a break from LSD and started at smaller doses and worked my way up and I've not had feelings of discomfort. Also strongly linked to the fact I have my life in better order. I've also given up tobacco and cannabis.

I think building a bond of trust with a substance is just as important as dosage and timing and I'm glad I had the patience to give LSD another shot, that's for sure.
 
I totally agree, given how potent psychedelics are i believe we should work our way up with dosage, like you say you gain the trust in the substance so when/if you decide to go higher on dose there's a foundation of trust in the experience, good to hear you came back to LSD and had a good experience, it's a shame when someone takes too much or in the wrong setting then are turned off it for life

I will try 2C-B but i'm very cautious about the conflicting reports, seems to me lower doses of Mescaline may be just as good a social psychedelic, but of course the difference between a 5-7 hour experience and 15 hours is quite something... although both phenethylamines they're probably quite different in reality
 
Chronic said:
I will try 2C-B but i'm very cautious about the conflicting reports, seems to me lower doses of Mescaline may be just as good a social psychedelic, but of course the difference between a 5-7 hour experience and 15 hours is quite something... although both phenethylamines they're probably quite different in reality
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Yeah don't get me wrong, 2C-B won't change your life, but it's a nice way to spend a few hours. I'm just working my way through shulgin's magic dozen :) 2C-B and mescaline are both in it :) 2C-E next but... yeah... that frightens me a little :)

Also big issue with RC's compared to plants is quality of synth obviously. I hear tell the 2C-B I have right now is pretty much as good as it gets. If I was to experiment with rarer substances I'd have to get much more clued up on my sourcing/substance testing.
 
I have a soft spot for 2CB, as i think it's probably the best psychedelic to go out on. Watching Shpongle live on 2CB was incredible. However, compared to classic psychedelics (LSD, Mushrooms, etc) it seems to lack a bit of depth, but the visuals when taking 30mg or more can be quite impressive. Food tastes amazing on 2cb as well.

I've had 300mg of mescaline on a night out and I have to say I didn't enjoy it all that much, as I just couldn't dance on it. The body load was quite intense.
 
DoingKermit said:
I've had 300mg of mescaline on a night out and I have to say I didn't enjoy it all that much, as I just couldn't dance on it. The body load was quite intense.
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Weird. I'm completely 180 over there on this situation. I can't dance on 2C-B without feeling overwhelmed, but had an epic night out involving 600mg mescaline + 3g cubes :)
 
I wonder what 2C-B is like when combined with Cannabis?

Even with small doses i find Cannabis usually takes the traditional psychedelics right into ego-loss territory which is not really what i'm looking for when with friends that smoke...
 
Chronic said:
I wonder what 2C-B is like when combined with Cannabis?

Even with small doses i find Cannabis usually takes the traditional psychedelics right into ego-loss territory which is not really what i'm looking for when with friends that smoke...
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For many people, mixing Cannabis with psychedelics is a recipe for disaster. Personally I heavily dislike the mix, with any psychedelic.

If you have no trouble combining cannabis with other psychedelics, then it should be fine on 2C-B as well.
 
I agree it can certainly make it intense and i tend to stay away from Cannabis until i'm almost down, but given the easy going nature of 2C-B that many people describe i wondered whether the combination may also be easier going

I'm amazed by people that can smoke heavily peaking on a strong dose of psychedelic, for me even just a lil toke makes things very intense, for better or worse
 
To me it's not just about intensity .. it also makes things weird, and not in a good way.

To top it off, the few times I did it after tripping, it triggered flashbacks. Positive ones (these were all epic trips 😁 ), but still..

0/10 would not recommend.
 
In general, my opinion of any rc is slightly biased against them, i do not like them and i prefer the natural entheogens.

But i have experience with 2ci and 2ce and i would second what another user posted here about it being a "dirty trip".

I did it 3 times, the first was most enjoyable and did a quite nice job of enhancing music, and gave some visuals similiar to other psychedelics, not particularaly deep or life changing, but also nothing negative the first time.

Ill skip to the third and last time... I used 2cb alone in my apartment at the time, and was listening to music. This trip had the threshold psychedelic effects, but with a particularaly empty and insignificant feeling. It was not overly powerful, so it didnt get into complete bad trip territory, but the worst effects were the physical ones, it felt like poison. Before using it i was not aware of any cough or chest problems, but while tripping i could not stop coughing deep deep lung coughs that actually were painful and extremely frightening to me at the time, because they were so hard and deep i thougt i would do damage.... my body also ached and i had cold like symptoms.

This was my last rc experience, and it will always be, i swore any manmade chemicals off after this experience
 
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