69ron tek with fresh cactus

[Poekus]

A while ago I extracted cactus with the 69ron tek. The process involved drying the cactus and especially grinding it was a pain in the ass (large chunks which couldn't get smaller even with blenders/coffeegrinder etc).

Now I have 1.5 kg of fresh cactus left. Is it possible to just blend this cactus, add caoh and then do the d-limo pulls?

Last time I found out that from 1 kg of cactus about 60 gram remains when dried. So about 95% is water. ratio dry-wet is 1/20

In the extraction method of 69ron the ratio of water with dried cactus is 1/3 (100gr/300ml). So if i would just blend the 1 kg (decored) cactus, how much caoh should be added and how much limo/vinegar?

Anyone already tried this? I only could find resin teks with fresh cactus with searching the forum/i-net.

 

[Eden]

Too high of a water content may be an issue, due to caoh's low solubility. I'm not sure excess caoh would solve this issue.
The pH of the mesc solution may not increase enough to encourage migration to the limo.

Have you ever tried tea or resin? Since you are starting with fresh material, this may be worth considering.

 

[Poekus]

I tried the snot tea 2 times now. I could take the taste but I'm really sensitive to the structure of what i'm eating. And the tea is not like tea but more like snot. But maybe I can use the boiled down snot at the same weight of 100g dried and 300ml water and basify that with the normal ratio of caoh.

 

[Poekus]

I basified the cactus sludge and let it sit overnight. This morning I added 400ml of D-limo. No about two hours later there is no trace of the limo. It's totally blended with the sludge. Does anyone have an idea how to break it up in layers?

I've searched the forum an found some posts about adding NaOh to break it up. Can you user NaOh to break it up when I used CaOh as a base? And if so, isn;t this NaOh transferred to the limo as well?

 

[Poekus]

I put the pot with slugde/limo on the washing machine. It is separating slowly now . I'm very curious about the yield since this blended cactus/caoh mix looks far more broken up than the dried 'pulverized' chunks of my previous extraction.

 

[Poekus]

The first three vinegar saltings are finished.

Some background info:

- 1400 grams of fresh cactus were decored and put in the blender.
= The sludge was put in the oven at 40C for over 8 hours (the volume reduced to 900 grams)
- 25 grams of CaOh were added and stirred with an electrical mixer for 10 minutes,
- 400 ml of D-limonene were added.
- The mixed formed one big emulsion which was broken up by letting it sit on the washing machine while running.
- Only 300ml of D-limo could be recovered.
- 3 saltings of 25ml vinegar (shaken softly with limo for about 5-10 min)
- These saltings were collected and vaporized at 40C in the oven.

The first pull did not yield very much but it looks far better than my previous dry cactus extraction.

 

[ouro]

You can add sodium carbonate to break the cactus and limo apart. There are a few posts around here, you can give it a search.

 

[Poekus]

My second pull was a HCL one.

The limo of the previous pull plus 100ml extra to compensate for lost limo has been sitting 36 hours with the PH 12 cactus mix and stirred with a electrical mixer now and then.

All the limo could be recovered this time with the use of a french press. Some CaOh goo got in which was separated by a coffee filter.

I added <10% HCL to 75ml of water until it reached around PH 6.

Three saltings took place and the water was collected and vaporized au-bain-marie.

The result is still light amber but this time it dries up completely

 

[Poekus]

The extract is totally dry now an looks like glinstering penciil shavings. The acetate is still wet, and probably will stay so like my previous acetate extract.

Now I want to try and convert the acetate to Hcl. In the main 69Ron topic this is described, but no amounts are mentioned. Could excess addition of hcl be a problem if I'm not going to clean the product with IPA and acetone afterwards?

 

[Poekus]

So I added a HCL solution (5 ml 10% to 25ml water) to the acetate, mixed well and let it sit to evaporate.
After it was evaporated I could scrape it up very easy within an hour.

The converted acetate from the first pull yielded 250 mg of medium brown crunch.

The second pull was a HCL one. It yielded 140 mg of very light brown crunch.

The third pull yielded 150 mg of medium brown crunch.

In total 540 mg of impure mescaline hcl.

Not bad since my starting material was 1400 grams fresh cactus. About 96% is moist. Drying it, it should have a weight of about 60-70 grams. It was not only outer skin but all flesh except core. The cacti was 8 years old though.

This second extraction was very fun to do. Thanks for the tips I got over on Nexus again. Chemistry was not my cup of tea at my high school years but since I'm busy with this, I start to get interested in it. If only we had this kind of experiments in high school.... .

I know now that Hcl is my route to go. The material dries out perfectly. With acetate it didn't dry out even after three weeks (no d-limo was present for sure).

So I'm wondering wether this can be eated as is or should be cleaned to remove excessive acid? I know that the acetate can be ingested without cleaning, but maybe this is a different story for Hcl.

 

[Poekus]

Small update:

I washed the yield with acetone and now I've got off-white powder

The wash with acetone went smooth. It just dissolves and the mesc settles down very fast.

I have to weigh it but I think it'll be around 250-300 mgs. A lot of work but also a very satisfied feeling.

 

[Poekus]

The stuff has been weighted and it's about 250mg very light brown powder. The vaporized acetone contained very orange wax which has a very typical smell. Like herbs, bread, licorice kind of smell. The washed product does not smell anymore.

Now I tasted some of product and it is very bitter/salty but it gives some burn like feeling on the tongue as well (which can be felt for minutes, kind of MDMA like).

This is something I didn't read about on the net. I suspect I pulled a minimal amount of calcium hydroxide along with the alkaloids (partially or fully converted to Calcium chloride as Infundibulum pointed out).

Since I never tasted pure mescaline can anybody here please confirm wether this burning sensation is normal or not?