A Hello from a DMT Beginner (and old school Daimist)

[Popol Vuh]

Hey Dear Nexus-members.

with a lot of interest am I reading through this Entheogenic University called DMT-Nexus.
I'm quite new on DMT (smoked it just a few times, due to my cautious nature), but not so new on Ayahuasca. I attend the works of the Santo Daime church for several years now, on a regular basis.
For me, the entheogenics / psychedelics are a wonderful gift that nature has to offer. And I think that it was no accident that these plants were shown us with the help of helpers from the astral. This also means that entheogenics are not only for fun, but also for spiritual growth, which is a very serious thing.

I have studied chemistry (Msc.), but when I read through all these contributions, I realize that DMT-Nexus is filled with people with a lot more knowledge than I already have. This makes me humble (which is generally a good thing) and happy: when there is something that I don't know, there are always contributors who know.

Momentarily, I am busy with A/B extraction from Acacia confusa. And since it is my first time, there is room for improvement. For instance, I came to understand that at room temperature (< 18°C) only quite a little of DMT dissolves in petrol. So now I use a water bad to heat the water-petrol mixture. A lot more DMT (and NMT) dissolves in petrol, but maybe some DMT oxidises because of the heat (I don't know), so I have planned a de-oxidising step with zinc powder. This change to polar and back to apolar will also make my DMT cleaner (since it is quite harsh on the throat).

This is it for now. Thank you all for your contributions. We meet each other in cyberspace (and maybe, some time, in hyperspace as well).


VIVA o AYAHUASCA, VIVA o SANTO DAIME, VIVA o DMT, VIVA o DMT-Nexus !!!

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[Purges]

Welcome! I hope you're not using the petrol that cars run on?! (I realise that English may not be your first language) You want to be using Naptha, which is a very pure petrol distillate. Warm Naptha will pick up more actives than room temperature stuff, for sure.

Would love to hear more about your experiences with Aya and the Daime. Do you conduct ceremonies yourself, or only with the Church? How do you find the teachings of Christianity mesh with entheogens?

 

[starway6]

Welcome..UlrichViridis ...!
Might I ask how your Ayahuasca experiance in the church is like?
I imagine the Ayahuasca experiance would feel more in control or feel freindlyr being surounded by freinds in your church..
Do you experiance a lot of visions related to God and spirituality...?

 

[endlessness]

Welcome to the Nexus!

I`m also wondering what do you mean by petrol?

As for doing warm pulls, I dont think there will be any significant n-oxide formation in solution. It would be more possible that it happens if you were evaporating that solvent with a fan and heat for an extended amount of time (but even so, it might not form as fast as some people think)

If you do the n-oxide conversion, I strongly suggest having a control group to know if you`re really doing anything, otherwise it might be that simply the redissolving and rebasing and re-pulling is what's making your dmt cleaner.

Or, consideirng you have chemistry experience, you might have some experience with TLC, which could help you out determining if there's any n-oxide beong formed (and reconverted with zinc) at all. Personally I think you dont have to worry at all about it consdiering your plan of simply warming the solvent for pulls.

Are you freezing or evaporating your solvent at the end to retrieve your alkaloids?

Regarding daime, are you `fardado`? Are you in Brazil, if I may ask?

Regarding dmt being harsh on the throat, this is usually due to the smoking method. How are you smoking it ?

 

[Entheogenerator]

Welcome, UlrichViridis! I always like hearing about people with a lot of ayahuasca experience joining The Nexus or just starting to delve into freebase DMT. It seems like many people these days experience vaporized DMT a few times before they decide to investigate ayahuasca. I hope you find this forum to be as beneficial for you as I have for myself! :thumb_up:

Regarding the zinc reduction, I would agree that it is really not necessary unless you finish an extraction and have good reason to believe that your final product has a high n-oxide content. It is extremely uncommon for people to end up with large amounts of n-oxide in their yield. I have been reading this forum regularly (almost religiously :lol: ) for several years, and I have yet to come across a person reporting that their final product has been verified to contain a significant amount of n-oxide. It certainly isn't impossible, but it is extremely uncommon. It is fairly unlikely that the heat from a hot water bath will oxidize your DMT in the time it takes to extract.

As far as harsh DMT smoke goes, like endlessness has suggested, this is almost always due to an inefficient smoking method or (less commonly) impurities in the spice. When DMT is pyrolized rather than vaporized, the smoke will taste terrible and be very harsh to inhale. But properly vaporized DMT is extremely mild, causing very little to no burning sensation in the throat.

Once again, welcome!

 

[Pandora]

Hello UlrichViridis,

Welcome to the Nexus. Great to have another experienced hand join our little family.

Yeah, there's a huge knowledge/information base that has been assembled here over a period of years by folks who really care. The wiki is a great place to dip into this knowledge including a plethora of plant based extraction teks.

Sounds like you are already on your way and have a few responses to your chemistry questions. I hope you will feel like replying and that your extraction goes well. Please do keep us posted.

Again, welcome to the Nexus and VIVA o UlrichViridis!

 

[SKA]

Welcome Ulrich.

I too would very much like to hear about your Santo Daime experiences. Perhaps you should start a topic about it.
I once participated at a Santo Daime ceremony. Who knows I may have even attended that Santo Daime ceremony with you

I hope with "petrol" you mean "Naphtha", something that in non-english countries may be know by a different name:
In the Netherlands Naphtha isn't ever called naptha as far as I know. Instead it's sold as "Wasbenzine". I imagine in
Germany it may have a similair name like "Wasbenzin". In Dutch "Benzine" is synonymous with "Benzine" in English as a word for a destillate from petroleum; a mixture of liquid hydrocarbons, but in Dutch "Benzine" is also sometimes used
to describe car fuel.

So plenty of room for confusion there

I hope you used the clear, colorless destillate benzine, otherwise known as petroleum ether, Naphtha, Petroleum Spirits or Ligroin. If you used car fuel you most likely wasted alot of Acacia Confusa material.

 

[Popol Vuh]

Hello to all friendly people who responded to my welcome essay (and a hello to all the others as well),

as to the petrol/naphtha confusion: I indeed use the clear and cleanly evaporating version, in the Netherlands also called Wasbenzine (which is used to wash fatty stains out of textiles).

I first washed the acidic extract, to get rid of plant oils, etc. After basifying, I use clear naphtha, shake well and pipette the naphtha layer into a bowl to leave it in the freezer (a white suspension forms) and after a few days, the yellow-white waxy substance covers the inside of the bowl. After decanting, at first, I evaporated the remaining naphtha with the help of a hair-dryer, but because of concerns regarding the possible formation of DMT-oxide, I decided to let the naphtha evaporate under normal conditions (after a day or two, the naphtha seems to have evaporated completely). Alas, I cannot use TLC kind of determining methods, since I'm not working in a laboratory with this kind of chromatographic material.

Regarding the harsh smoke: I use the evaporation method. A large test tube closed with a cork with two holes (it looks like a bubbler they use in laboratories to clean gases with). I put the DMT in the tube and heat the glass. After a while, white smoke forms, which is inhaled.
I used it before with a small test batch (MH, I now use A. confusa) and this resulted in a fine fog that didn't do anything on the throat. Maybe the DMT/NMT became too much heated this time?

As for my Daime experiences: I usually do not have visions of God (what exactly this could be). For me, I first had a time when I felt that I was cleaning my consciousness. Now, I'm exploring who I really am while I connect myself with the light (while staying away from everything 'dark' which tries to enter my consciousness, not only in the church, but more or less all the time). I really enjoy being in the church, high on Daime (Ayahuasca), singing beautiful hymns in a completely save place with people I know and value. Since I'm not Christian in a more 'traditional' sense (I used to be atheist prior to Daime and had to read a lot 'after-dead literature' to become a 'rational theist' ), the Christian part of the Daime is not always easy to incorporate. Luckily, we do a lot of work with other non-Christian forces as well (Umbanda), which at times feels a lot more comprehensible to me. I am a fardado in the Netherlands.
At a meeting with some members from the church, we smoked changa. While it felt in a sense completely different from my Daime experiences (other setting, other psychedelic feeling), I also felt a big YES towards DMT (and changa, as a way to smoke DMT). So I hope that DMT helps me with finding more in the entheogenic realm, which the Daime (and other experiences with Ayahuasca) until now did not reveal.

 

[starway6]

As for my Daime experiences: I usually do not have visions of God (what exactly this could be). For me, I first had a time when I felt that I was cleaning my consciousness. Now, I'm exploring who I really am while I connect myself with the light (while staying away from everything 'dark' which tries to enter my consciousness, not only in the church, but more or less all the time). I really enjoy being in the church, high on Daime (Ayahuasca), singing beautiful hymns in a completely save place with people I know and value. Since I'm not Christian in a more 'traditional' sense (I used to be atheist prior to Daime and had to read a lot 'after-dead literature' to become a 'rational theist' ), the Christian part of the Daime is not always easy to incorporate. Luckily, we do a lot of work with other non-Christian forces as well (Umbanda), which at times feels a lot more comprehensible to me. I am a fardado in the Netherlands.
At a meeting with some members from the church, we smoked changa. While it felt in a sense completely different from my Daime experiences (other setting, other psychedelic feeling), I also felt a big YES towards DMT (and changa, as a way to smoke DMT). So I hope that DMT helps me with finding more in the entheogenic realm, which the Daime (and other experiences with Ayahuasca) until now did not reveal.

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I seen a video once about the Daime church..and noticed they had a drinking weater machine filled with ..Ayahuasca brew...
Durring services.. people would just fill a paper cup with the brew just like getting a drink of water..
I asume the [Daime Ayahuasca brew] is mixed pretty weak??
Any way vaping straight DMT is like ..being shot out of a cannon].. and is very visual if using mimosa spice..
I think the changa method is easier for me to take..but still have not broken through on straight DMT yet..so not shure..
cheers..

 

[NamRa]

Hi Ulrich, welcome on board.

Just a word of caution.
Googling your username brings me to your facebook account.

Maybe you dont believe in privacy anymore but you openly adimitted to a crime (extracting DMT) and I already "know" who you are.

Be carefull

 

[Popol Vuh]

You are right! I just forgot that there is a world outside us which thinks differently than we do.
I requested a change of my user name.
Thank you for making me aware of this fact.

 

[Popol Vuh]

Welcome to the Nexus!
As for doing warm pulls, I dont think there will be any significant n-oxide formation in solution. It would be more possible that it happens if you were evaporating that solvent with a fan and heat for an extended amount of time (but even so, it might not form as fast as some people think)

If you do the n-oxide conversion, I strongly suggest having a control group to know if you`re really doing anything, otherwise it might be that simply the redissolving and rebasing and re-pulling is what's making your dmt cleaner.

I dissolved my brown coloured extract in vinegar (as written in the dmt n-oxide tek), which resulted in a orange coloured solution. I put about the same weight Zink-powder and mixed for about two hours. A few minutes after I started mixing, I noticed that the solution became less coloured (more yellow). After two hours, the solution became almost colourless.
I would be tempted to think, that the brown colour of my DMT must have been caused by the n-oxide ...

As the DMT was dissolving in the vinegar, I noticed small bubbles of gas. The solution smelled peculiar. After I put the Zink-powder in the solution, the smell became even more intense.

Now I'll first wash the acidic solution (pH 5) with naphtha (to get rid of whatever is not polar at this moment), and after that I will basify.

How came n-oxide from the water layer into my naphtha? Could it be that n-oxide dissolves in hot naphtha?

 

[Popol Vuh]

And a big VIVA to Changa.

It's so beautiful, what a great teacher!