A mistake learnt? probably best to avoid this method!

[spawn9076]

ok so here goes as a lot of you guys know I have been attempting to breakthrough for a little while. And i have.

ok as stated this is for beginners who wish to breakthrough this is far from efficient and i realize that, but hopefully people stuck in my situation will be able to breakthrough on this method without a problem and they can then work on there own technique.

equipment needed

2 litre pop bottle
electrical tape
scissors
and a large air tight bag.

thats it.

now trim the curve bit of the bottom of the bottle and and reverse put a bag inside the bottle. trim and excess bag and tape up the end so its nice and air tight. when you take the lid off and suck the bag should fill the bottle nicely with no air gaps. you'll have something like this. (this picture was taken after i had completed and you can see how much of the joint was not burnt! there is still enough for 3 possibly 4 hyperspace adventures)!



now use some scissors to poke a whole and twist in a circular motion to get a nice circle like so




now I don't smoke tobacco so was not too found of this but went ahead anyway I basically made a spliff but with no green(you can use a lot less spread over a smaller area, i used 400mg which obviously is extremely over the top, however burnt of this i would say only 100mg was burnt and pulled into the bottle), but dmt instead nowhere near the roach to avoid wastage. (this was extremely wasteful and not needed at all if your doing one for just yourself consider a much lower dose and working up your dose levels). I marked with a pen the area where the DMT would be not right on the end. I used 400mg of dmt in an area about 2/3 of the "spliff". about a cm from the end. Lit the said dooby and started smoking until i got to just before the line. then i slipped the roach into the whole i made in the bottle with the bag fully inflated inside. then when i was sure it was air tight I slowly pulled the bag out of the bottle.

I was a little overwhelmed at first how much the bottle started filling up but if you pull it out nice and slow you'll end with this.



i'd say i have another 3 goes left using the same joint. as mentioned this is highly inefficient way probably burning 100mg probably inhaling 50mg maximum. take your time on inhaling you can clear the bottle in two or three tokes if you prefer just while you get a feeling for it. * please also note i believe i have a higher tolerance than most people for smoking DMT several friends have smoked less than me and broken through and none off them while all more experienced could understand why i could not breakthrough because my smoking technique was fine and i was doing just as they did with higher dosages. if you've been playing around with trying to breakthrough and struggling then this could be for you. i thought i would have to fill the bottle with this method 2-3 times. once was enough and as i stated from using 400mg in the joint theres from eye looking atleast 300mg left.

I hit the whole thing (some may struggle and cough but hit it with some intention!) and filled my lungs in one go and held until I could no more. I expected to have to do this two 3 times. as soon as I filled up my lungs quickly I felt tingling in my knees, elbows, feet which felt like vibrating in towards my groin and then I shot out the top of my head into what I can only describe as being space. I was surrounded by 7 beings and shown some incredible things. but that's another write up. I hope this helps someone who is trying to breakthrough as inefficient as this method is it certainly the most prominent for me!

good luck

 

[SnozzleBerry]

Please do not attempt the method detailed above

There are a number of problems with it:
It's potentially dangerous
It's inefficient and wasteful
It's overcomplicated

First, you don't need 400mg. You just don't, no matter how you go about this. As someone who has smoked numerous DMT and changa joints and has defended the use of 150-250mg of DMT as not reckless in such contexts, trust me when I say that 400mg in this context is both unnecessary and reckless.

On the off chance you somehow managed to inhale all of the smoke, you could be looking at a potentially traumatizing experience or a blackout, neither of which is desirable. Granted, it's highly unlikely you'd be able to take all of it, but still, that's not something that should be suggested, certainly not in the offhand manner it is here.

This brings us to the second point. Joints are the least efficient ROA you could possibly choose. Combining the joint with additional contraptions further compounds that inefficiency. Calling this "hands down the easiest way to breakthrough" is simply false, no matter how you slice it.

If you have an effective technique, you should not need more than 50mg for any vaped/smoked ROA other than joints/spliffs. For joints/spliffs, you should not need more than 250mg even when shared between multiple people.

If you are struggling to breakthrough, here are some resources you should take a look at:
Attn. If you're having a hard time breaking through read this
VG VaporGenie: How to use, where to get, advantages, etc
The Key V2 - DIY Water Pipe Vaporizer
Introducing : The Green Buddha, a GVG alternative
The "Smoking" ROA subforum

 

[spawn9076]

i missed a point of saying there was a lot of the joint left. i still have it now. i did say i thought i would need to do this a few times. pulling the bag out a filling the bottle once barely touched the joint!! and i did mention it was unefficient. i dont think it is at all dangerous you smoke what you can.

probably less that 100mg was smoked its just what was constructed it was never intended to be smoked in one hit!

i found it highly effective

 

[Felnik]

Plastic - heat Not good

 

[SnozzleBerry]

i dont think it is at all dangerous you smoke what you can.

You've got 400mg primed for smoking. This is so far beyond a "strong" dose that it's not even funny. And you have no clue what someone's lung capacity/physical smoke tolerance is that there's no possible way you can suggest this is safe or recommendable.

Please listen to what I'm saying. Please take a look at the links I've provided.

 

[universecannon]

Orrrr just make changa

 

[cyb]

You've got 400mg primed for smoking. This is so far beyond a "strong" dose that it's not even funny. And you have no clue what someone's lung capacity/physical smoke tolerance is that there's no possible way you can suggest this is safe or recommendable.

Please listen to what I'm saying. Please take a look at the links I've provided.

Thankyou Snozz
I will echo this point.

This is by far the most reckless piece of advice I've seen here in a long time.

Whilst an ingenious device for drawing on a joint...the rest is plain dangerous.

Be mindful that not just members get to read these threads...Do not attempt these dose levels.

 

[Cascadeimage]

Put it on glass. You can breakthrough using 2 liter bottles, but if you're in a reasonably populated area you can probably get a glass pipe for less than $10 and cut your work down by a considerable amount.

I don't use vaporizers, but the more experienced members here say that glass vaporizers prove to be the most efficient.

Oh, and 400 mg is definitely excessive. My friend did a full 100 mg once and he said it rocked his world to the point where he was scared to do it again. So keep in mind that people who are new to it...even if experienced with other psychedelics...will probably need to slowly work themselves up to 70 mg or 100 mg doses.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

So keep in mind that people who are new to it...even if experienced with other psychedelics...will probably need to slowly work themselves up to 70 mg or 100 mg doses.

Not even.

With an effective ROA and technique, 50mg should be overkill. If vaporized properly, 75-100mg should reliably result in an overdose (psychological) and/or blackout experience.

 

[oversoul1919]

Nope. Thank you very much, but I love my Machine.

I wouldn't achieve a good set and setting with that thing. There are numerous ways to smoke spice, but we're seeking those which are most comfortable and most safe. That plastic bottle with plastic bag doesn't look like that to me.

 

[Cascadeimage]

So keep in mind that people who are new to it...even if experienced with other psychedelics...will probably need to slowly work themselves up to 70 mg or 100 mg doses.

Not even.

With an effective ROA and technique, 50mg should be overkill. If vaporized properly, 75-100mg should reliably result in an overdose (psychological) and/or blackout experience.

Agreed. 50 mg has been enough for me, which is why I pointed out that my friend did 100 mg and it scared him silly. But he might not have gotten all of the 100 in that one hit. As far as reliably producing a blackout, smoking technique is vastly important, but bmi is also a factor. It sounds like you can speak to this with more validity than me, as I've never blacked out (have always been careful).

 

[hardboiled]

A lot of members here have been doing this before some of us where even born or at least had any slightest idea about any of this. The rules of engagement have been tested and proven on the field of consciousness and millage gave birth to rules that were earned the hard way.

Not long ago i was harshly reminded that going in and using spice is something that needs utter respect and preparation and i was shown just how powerful and overwhelming it can get.
Those doses that you are advising are just plain overkill my friend.
I strongly believe that as you practice and get more experience under the belt you should be able to use less and less to achieve same effect. Key to this is let it go and let it flow.
Keep it safe and try to minimize any unnecessary health risks that could result in long lasting or even permanent symptoms.

Peace & Love

 

[1ce]

I can't even.. WHY 400MG!!???

Why would you openly abuse and propagate the abuse of such a powerful chemical. 100mg hyperslap would train-wreck you so hard you'd never sleep with your eyes closed!

30mg sandwiched between ash is by far the easiest. I think a GVG is a monumental waste: a 30$ g-spot steamroller will wreck you just as fast.

Try taking 30mg in 1 lung. Try 50. I'd say try 75 but after 50 you'll think twice about going above 30.

 

[anrchy]

Trying to breakthrough shouldn't be the first order of business. All these people in a huge rush to breakthrough baffles me, and most of them get there rear end handed to em. I still think starting low and slowly working your way up and LEARNING to breakthrough rather than forcing one is hands down the best way to go about DMT.

 

[SynKyd]

Respect the molecule, and please, edit your original post to just avoid further propagating this nonsense. It will leave some poor victim scarred for life.

 

[spawn9076]

Respect the molecule, and please, edit your original post to just avoid further propagating this nonsense. It will leave some poor victim scarred for life.

I have edited the post as it was not quite clear. and im sorry guys if i made it seem so.

1. i mentioned this was is highly inefficient that i was already aware off.

2. 400mg in the joint was not all smoked at once. theres a huge quantity of the joint left at a good estimate 80-100mg was burnt off. 50mg was probably vaped and smoked. there plenty left on the joint for several more uses.

3. I have been trying to breakthrough on numerous occasions and each to their own everyone is different. I have tried vaporizers with not much luck although i have had some amazing experiences this for me was best and easiest way to get the dosage administered correctly and quickly.

I welcome everyone's advice and i can completely understand where you guys are coming from, but i would like to point out i was not recklessly inhaling 400mg if thats what the post seemed to say then i apologize! I have been experimenting with doseages and it does seem that I somehow have a natural higher tolerance why his could be i am unsure. maybe i need to improve my smoking technique im not sure but time will tell. As my respect for DMT grows i am sure i still have a lot to learn on my learning curve. i would not recommend anyone goes on a wild binge of 400mg in one hit, i started off on low doses of 20, 30 40mg and kept moving up and up hopefully this can help someone as it takes little or no technical innovation and works a treat. obviously people are welcome to edited doses.

 

[Earthwalker]

This just ridicules SnozzleBerry can't this thread be deleted or is it serving us as a reminder what not to do ??

 

[anrchy]

Op, you need to understand that your method does not allow you to control how much you get. You should consider yourself lucky that you didnt get a much larger dose. You had no control over the amount, you played a guessing game.

I didnt achieve my first breakthrough for quite some time. Smoking technique is 9 of out 10 times THE reason someone isnt getting "normal" results. Also, the reason your thread is being critiqued is because you created a thread that reads "everyone do this if you are having a hard time breaking through". Regardless of the cautions you added.

Imo the title should be changed to "what not to do". Thank you for not getting offended and flipping out like most people do when they get hounded by all us harm reductionists.

I think everyone should note how well the OP is responding back, you all have seen what i am talking about. I feel op at least deserves that respect.

Op get a gvg and learn to use it and you will see.

 

[spawn9076]

i dont think it is at all dangerous you smoke what you can.

You've got 400mg primed for smoking. This is so far beyond a "strong" dose that it's not even funny. And you have no clue what someone's lung capacity/physical smoke tolerance is that there's no possible way you can suggest this is safe or recommendable.

Please listen to what I'm saying. Please take a look at the links I've provided.

i'll say it again 400mg was not primed for smoking the whole joint didnt burn up and light away in there and there aleast 300mg left in the joint. if you wanted to smoke the whole joint it would probably take 8-10 pulls in the bottle!!!!

 

[anrchy]

Dude, you do understand that the next hit on that thing will have a much stronger dose condensed and will prolly be a bad idea to even think about attempting.