A new way to dose

[tigerstrike92]

From what I've gathered, the reason why Salvia Divinorum tea does not work very well is a combination of two things:

1. Salvinorin A is not very water soluble.
2. Salvinorin A is mostly destroyed by stomach acid before it reaches the blood stream, so large amounts are needed.

In historical contexts, Ayahuasca has been administered anally. So would a salvia tea enema get enough salvinorin into the bloodstream to have a significant experience lasting much longer than when smoked?

P.S. It's not that I am currently planning on trying it, just a thought I wanted some input on.

 

[Ginkgo]

Ayahuasca anally - really? Could you elaborate on that, perhaps with a source? Salvinorin is absorbed through the mocous membranes in the cheeks, and to my knowledge the reason a tea doesn't work very well is that there's no such membranes in the stomach. It is in the anus, however, so a Salvia tincture anally may work!

 

[jamie]

salvia tea does work and is a traditional method of administration. You need alot more though..and they dont brew a tea..the leaves are pressed almost like juicing since water washes wont extract much.

There is also tons of documentation of ayahuasca taken as an enema.

 

[Apoc]

Of course! Why didn't I think of this before? I think I'm going to take one for the team, and see how it goes. Even taking sublingual salvia makes me have to pee a heck of a lot, so I imagine if I actually drank the tea, it would make me pee forever. I don't know what the body effects of anal salvia would be.

I have tried anal-huasca (sorry if that term offends anyone, it's just a play on words), and it didn't pack the same punch as the drink. Maybe I used too much water (150ml). It did cause significant euphoria, but barely psychedelic. It seemed more like a harmala only session, actually. I wonder if certain substances are more readily absorbed through different membranes. For example, harmalas seem to have great bio-availability sublingually. 30mg harmine would be a strong dose sublingually. However, I have only read lackluster reports from those who have tried dmt sublingually. Some euphoria, but nothing spectacular, and not as strong as if swallowed with b-carbolines. The harmalas seemed to be very bio-available through the intestines, but I didn't really feel the mimosa.

Sooooo, we shall see how well a salvia enema works. Sublingual salvia is so annoying, it would be great to have another method. If no one has tried a Salvia enema, it would be an honor to be the first.

 

[christian]

Tigerstrike, an interesting question! Actually , it seems that it's the act of " quidding " the salvia leaves in the mouth close to the mucous membranes that allow the Salvinorin to be absorbed.

-In terms of anal administration, well, it would be trickier, but possible. However i would believe that it would take some "effort" also. I can imagine that the way to do this would be perhaps to firstly use an enema to clean oneself out, then insert some roughly macerated, and presoaked salvia leaves deep into the rectum. In order to assist the absorbtion of the salvinorin, one would then have to perform " anal quidding "-no kidding!

-In order to perform this , one would need some kind of object similar to a dildo that one would then insert, and manouvre in a manner as to perform the " anal quidding ".

-There's only one way to find out....:lol:

 

[Ginkgo]

-In order to perform this , one would need some kind of object similar to a dildo that one would then insert, and manouvre in a manner as to perform the " anal quidding ".

-There's only one way to find out....:lol:

Hahaha, at times I wish I'm not that into visualization... Using your enema as a leaf quidding device I assume to take some "effort", yes, even with a Sally D. Ildo. A Salvia tincture on the other hand!

 

[christian]

That's true, Evening Glory. Butt, err, but, this method of administration may perhaps appeal to those more experimental conisseurs.
To be honest i'm quite happy with smoking an extract, but would like to hear from those that. perhaps are willing to put theories into practice with the " Sally D.ildo bottom prodding anal quidder " method. I think the tincture would perhaps be a lot less fun to see, and probably burn quite bad. Feel free to post some photos... :lol:

 

[rOm]

the now traditional alcoholic minty salvia tincture are very painful intra-rectally, this even diluted. but this is partly due to the high menthol content, and high ethanol (50% roughly).
now juicing the fresh leaves might work. or making a softer ( but efficient ?) tincture from dried leaves ?
I remember some user saying it was the best ROA on another salvia forum. I'll try and ask her the technics she'd use for that.
I overall prefer sublingual effect but it's not as practicle as smoking, or drinking anything.

 

[Entropymancer]

According to a 2004 article which cites a pre-publication copy of Daniel Siebert's still-unpublished book, “scant reports indicate that Salvia divinorum solutions have been effective as enemas.” Two instances are noted, one using an aqueous preparation of leaf juice, the other an ethanol-based tincture.

The source I got this from is: Case, J., F. Gal, and R. Stuart. 2004. "Taking it past the limit?" Entheogen Review 13(2): 41-48.

 

[ThirdEyeVision]

According to a 2004 article which cites a pre-publication copy of Daniel Siebert's still-unpublished book, “scant reports indicate that Salvia divinorum solutions have been effective as enemas.” Two instances are noted, one using an aqueous preparation of leaf juice, the other an ethanol-based tincture.

The source I got this from is: Case, J., F. Gal, and R. Stuart. 2004. "Taking it past the limit?" Entheogen Review 13(2): 41-48.

ethanol enema...ouch.

 

[rOm]

ty entropy. the water juice seems the best bet to fellow the OP.

 

[Entropymancer]

ethanol enema...ouch.

the water juice seems the best bet to fellow the OP.

My thoughts exactly

 

[prottel]

Dmt works really well when taken rectally. In fact, that is the way I use it. I take the maoi orally, and wait 20-30 minutes before taking the dmt. I use 30-40mg dmt acetate in 3-4ml of water. This is squirted up with 1ml syringes. Easy and painless process. The come on is much quicker than when taken orally. It also has a very stable curve. It peaks after ~30 minutes and is mostly over in 90 minutes, even with very high doses of harmalas, such as 325mg harmaline.

 

[jamie]

^ that is something I have been wanting to try. Have you used fumerates in place of acetates? My acetate is always gooey and hard to weigh out, fumerates I can judge better since they are easier to weight..I guess since Nick Sand was injecting fumerates they should be okay for enemas..

 

[burningmouth]

" Sally D.ildo bottom prodding anal quidder "

Salvia shops and porn stores in West Hollywood reporting brisk sales of salvia products.

 

[rOm]

back to the OP, salvia experience especially sublingually doesn't involve ONLY salvinorin a. smoking it either but it seems sal. a is the major diterpene responsible in our journeys. but for instance, isolated salvinorin a taken sublingually is rather ineffective compared to crude liquid extract.

 

[christian]

Go on, get a moistened pile of them salvia leaves, baseball bat in other hand, and give them a GOOD prodding, and mulching, and report back with those results..BUTT ( ha ha)- perhaps no photos ??

 

[BananaForeskin]

Are there such membranes in other body parts? Perhaps some female Nexians could try an alternate use of the Sally D.ildo?

 

[tigerstrike92]

Oh wow. What a nice variety of posts:lol:

In all seriousness though, I have tried quidding, smoking, and drinking a tea of the foliage, and also smoking and quidding the extract. I have really only had effects from smoking the extract and foliage. I had a little effects from quidding the foliage, and i struggled to keep such a massive amount of bitter tasting leaves in my mouth. I'm kind of looking for a way to make a prolonged salvia experience near the intensity of smoking the foliage/extract. Anally (oddly enough) may be the best way?

My thoughts were to press the leaves (like Fractal was talking about) and then use the resulting juice as an enema. I really had no intention of shoving some leaves up there. **shudder**

Oh and Dear Apoc,
You are my hero. Good luck venturing into this brave uncharted land. Keep us updated.

 

[christian]

My thoughts were to press the leaves (like Fractal was talking about) and then use the resulting juice as an enema. I really had no intention of shoving some leaves up there. **shudder**

-Tigerstrike, do not underestimate the possible power of Sally D.ildo...I'm sure you're just shy...hahaha..