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Botany Acacia and Mimosa Identification Thread

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Hello,
I found this near my place in Victoria, Australia.
Anybody can help with an i.d
searched many google images but couldn't find it :(
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I can take more pics if that helps :)
 
I posted pics of these last year, but I had missed them blooming. I almost missed it again. I think it's sweet acacia but it could be perhaps nilotica or some other acacia. Anyone know?

They're growing close to a botanical garden, could be escapees.
 

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Hello! So I have been lurking for a few weeks now, slowly working my way through this thread and other extraction tek threads etc, and I figure it is finally time to lock down my IDs. I've been exploring an area in Southern Sydney which has many hundreds of Acacias throughout it, most of which I suspect are Maidenii (Maidenii is apparently common in Heathcote National Park).

Anyway, I've managed to work my way through numerous trees, and get used to the natural variability to figure out that there seem to be 3 distinct varieties which I would love to lock down the IDs of.

To start off with, here is a photo of all 3 tree branches side by side (these are not fresh, unfortunately):



With that comparison, here are a couple of trees which I think might be Maidenii...or something similar.... The thing which throws me is the two main veins. None of the identification drawings show any of the typical wattles as having two veins, as far as I have been able to tell.

Up close:



After looking at many trees which have (generally) the same phyllodes, and similar bark, this tree was the first one I found with old seed pods on it:


and this tree was just near by the first:


They are still the only two trees I have seen with old seed pods, but I suspect that this is because most other trees lost them long ago. We are clearly just coming into new flower season right now, as you can see in most of the photos the spikes are still young, green, and I have been watching them grow over the last few weeks (the sample in the photos with the ruler is from early-mid April, while the other live trees (below) were late April, for example). So here is one of the many live trees I have found:

Full tree


Branch up close:


and trunk:


And here is a different one:




I'll make a second post with the photos from the other two varieties I am looking at.
 
So moving on to the second species, the one with the buds instead of spikes, here is the whole tree:



a branch up close:



Seed pod:


Trunk, bark and seed pod:

Phyllode size




These trees are much less common.

I have no idea why some of the photos are determined to come out sideways....


And now finally, the tree I think of as Fluffy, because the spikes are much fluffier, and almost as long as the phyllodes, so the whole thing looks kinda fluffy. Unfortunately the photos aren't as good:

Whole tree:
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Trunk+bark:
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Measurements:
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Bushiness:
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(Actually two different trees here. Again this tree is much less common than the potential Maidenii)
 
I assume you mean the second and third trees? I had one tree in a first post, and a second and third tree in a second post. The second tree was always an uncertainty to me, and I think you are probably spot on with the third. I just compared it to the Floribunda ID image, and the measurements seem to be about right. Flowers June-September, so I guess I will start to see those flowers at the end of the month.

The first post though - do we have Maidenii?
 
Hahaha so I think it's important that I post this.. It's taken me years now but I can safely say I can identify these tricky guys pretty well.. Even with training, help, experience and added up hours of research that I couldnt fathom counting, I still make mistakes.. I only just found the only true way to identify is like a persistent year round sort of check up. for most of you nobody will show you so if ur like me and have to figure this out the hard way and you aren't willing to devote s solid chunk of time and persist with determination then u may as well give up now I'm sorry to say. This is a beautiful world with different gateways. This gateway requires a personal relationship with a beautiful species. My only tips are most things you find online will confuse the shit of you when it comes to cacias. You want an easy route find another source. You want to enter the labyrinth look for the founders the discoverers and the pioneers of this plant. Look outside the box and pickup a damn book!! follow your heart and your instincts I found that my instincts have been 90% more accurate than some picture and some bro knowledge. Some of the tricky ones need to be looked at before during and after both fruiting and flowering and or both bark phyllo de structure glands hair stem everything needs to be considered. Hahah I'm not discouraging I'm only making you aware of the challenge In hopes more will take it and not give up and hopefully someday this bird might be the next johnny Appleseed and there will be apples abundant for all after all there is no harm in growing or looking at these lovely specimens. Remember This is year round work. So Good luck! And I think so long for a while.. I think many might come to find that happiness is a journey not a destination
 
yeah, I had figured that that would be the case. I've been watching these trees for about a month now, watching the spike buds slowly getting longer. I expect to see flowers around the beginning of June... and I intend on continuing to explore the area, and seeing if I can identify other variations out there to contrast against.

There is actually a handy local government guide to native trees which indicates general locations of various types of Wattles. So I plan on heading out to each location and seeing if I can find an example of each Obtusifolia, Maidenii, Floribunda, Implexa, Longifolia and Sophorae. Just got to find the time...
 
Hi guys,

Please can someone help with identification of the attached acacia?

If there is an image search or easy way I can identify without taking up anyone's time in this thread then I apologise in advance.

Kind regards.
 

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Many thanks acacian. I found a post of yours from 2012 stating you managed crystal and some goo which is great news for me. Couldn't find much info of alkaloid percentage on the wiki so hope to help full in those blanks once I've practised some more extractions on the bark I have.

This find means I can learn new skills in sensible harvesting techniques :)

Many thanks once again.
 
kingofsnakes said:
Many thanks acacian. I found a post of yours from 2012 stating you managed crystal and some goo which is great news for me. Couldn't find much info of alkaloid percentage on the wiki so hope to help full in those blanks once I've practised some more extractions on the bark I have.

This find means I can learn new skills in sensible harvesting techniques :)

Many thanks once again.
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I did indeed although I am fairly certain it was another compound... crystallised much the same as dmt did surprisingly ..in soft circular formations which were waxy upon scraping. smell was distinctively different (quite unpleasant actually) and the taste of the vapor was so horrid I never got the chance to hold it in long enough to give it a chance to do its thing.. whatever its thing was. would be very interested to see other's results on it though and I have since worked with extracts that were quite bitter and also had dmt present so who knows maybe you'll have some luck with it.. certainly hope you do! I used phyllodes/twigs on the test I did I'll be interested to see what the bark yields..

and in regards to sensible harvest techniques theres no real need to take trunk bark.. phyllodes and twigs of active trees will usually contain alkaloids too (twigs in equal amounts and possibly "cleaner" content.. phyllodes often a little lower content and possibly varying in alkaloid profile but still well worth using) :)
 
Hi there

Just wondering if you could help me identify this! I am thinking it could be a dealbata or possibly it's a Albizia!

Thank you for your time.

 
JSTAR, your tree is Paraserianthes lophantha or "Cape Leeuwin Wattle".. not an acacia i'm afraid but a beautiful plant none the less which hasnt been tested for alkaloids so worthy of investigation
 
Thank you Acacian your knowledge is very impressive! Swim will check it out, what are your thoughts on the age of the plant, if it is young will there less likely be a good result?
 
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