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Botany Acacia and Mimosa Identification Thread

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Look like Acacia Sophorae which is probably the most common coastal wattle, hence the name "coastal wattle".

They have an increased thickness in the leaves to protect the plant from dehydration, exposure to the sun and salt spray, and wiry stiff leaves and stems which enable the plants to tolerate abrasion by salt-laden winds and sands.

Seems to have a bit more red that the ones that grow around the NSW coastal areas I've come across. Although this can be due to plant response to effectively sunscreen itself, not necessarily indication of alkaloids being present.
 
Thanks for the reply Nen :thumb_up:
Ya so much material to work with but then again a lot to learn.
I think the others are acacia cyclops.
I also recently found a valley recently full of newly chopped down acacia longfolia, floribunda? and maidenii some of which are still alive.
Will post pics off plants and results soon.

Just one more question
Should i do defats or first checkout everything its got?
 
So I have struggled so hard with this identification stuff.

There is an area in southern Sydney which has, what appears to be, a single species of wattle which is incredibly common. It is along the side of roads everywhere, it is beside trainlines, besides walking tracks, in front yards; it is everywhere. And they are all flowering now (they started at the end of June, and are in full flower now at the middle of july (I've seen one or two with old flowers which look like they might be sprouting beans now?)

Anyway, because of the timing of the flowers and this line from the Sutherland Shire Plants Guide (http://sutherland.austplants.com.au/Suth_Shire_Plants_Guide_200511.pdf) :

"Renown for the masses of golden flower spikes in spring. Common to open forests across the Shire."

I'm pretty sure it is Longifolia Sub. Long.

It is just frustrating that because of all of the many hundreds of these trees around, I can see so much variation from specimen to specimen. Some have long narrow leaves, some have short rounder leaves. Some leaves look like they have blunt tips, others definitely have pointed tips. Some have nice smooth bark, others ruptured bark. Some are low round bushes, others are tall trees with a central trunk. Sometimes I think the leaves feel thick and strong, other times they feel like thin paper leaves.

This is why for so long I have been walking around in circles going "I think its maidenii. No I think its obtusifolia. No maybe its floribunda...."

The worst complication I have found is that a few times now I have found old seed pods still attached to the tree from last season....and the seed pods are extremely coiled, wrapped around the branch 3-5 times.

Maybe they are just the random exception, and that is why they are still attached when all of the others have fallen off?

Anyway, all of the confusion aside, none of the other species described in the local environment flower at this time of year (Obtusifolia in Nov-Jan, Maidenii Jan-June, Floribunda early spring; so maybe floribunda, but the ones I have tend to have a 'marginal gland', which is meant to distinguish Floribunda)

Anyway, here are some photos of what I think is Acacia Longifolia sub. Long. They were all taken in the first half of July 2015.

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This is one of the more tree-like specimens.

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You can see the nice long pointed leaves here.

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And here you can see the green pubescent stamens to the left, a few freshly flowered ones in the background on the left side (yellow) and lots of older orange coloured flowers to the right.

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This is a different tree now, and on this one it looks like the flowers have started to seed.

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Another angle of the sprouting beans(?)

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A photo of the trunk and branch. This specimen was more bushlike than the other tree above. This tree also tended to have wider phyllodes than the tree. Though it still had reasonably pointed leaves. Some of the bushy ones looked very obtusifolia like...


Aside: I also accidentally stumbled across a heap of Longifolia Sub Sophorae two weeks ago one the coast. They were also flowering. They were a pretty easy identification.
 
So the first tree I posted here had very low yields. Don't even think it was an Acacia. This batch, however, looks like an acacia. I think. Any help with IDing it?
 

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SpathiEluder said:
I know this thread is pretty dead with the influx of ID requests, but I have to ask about this one, as its in my front yard.

Is it Longifolia ?


yes, longifolia..

i'd estimate you have a 30-50% chance of obtaining what the gist of the forum is from the species..

re 'dead thread', i think it's partly to do with greater numbers of either previously ID'd species, and also species which aren't even acacias (which to my mind, in most cases, except a few look-a-likes, if one can't even work out what is a wattle, i don't think one has the required grasp of intellect to be dealing with tryptamine extraction)
..that said, when something interesting turns up there are still people here who'll have a go at ID..

..also, many acacia appreciators have gone more quiet/protective following an increase in killing of trees through bark taking, and other extreme damage in the wild..as Seldom once pointed to: "cast not pearls to swine.."


(p.s. to those swine..stay the f-away from national parks and reserves..we are moving in on you, and you're going to get spotted and handed over)
 
nen888 said:
SpathiEluder said:
I know this thread is pretty dead with the influx of ID requests, but I have to ask about this one, as its in my front yard.

Is it Longifolia ?


yes, longifolia..

i'd estimate you have a 30-50% chance of obtaining what the gist of the forum is from the species..

re 'dead thread', i think it's partly to do with greater numbers of either previously ID'd species, and also species which aren't even acacias (which to my mind, in most cases, except a few look-a-likes, if one can't even work out what is a wattle, i don't think one has the required grasp of intellect to be dealing with tryptamine extraction)
..that said, when something interesting turns up there are still people here who'll have a go at ID..

..also, many acacia appreciators have gone more quiet/protective following an increase in killing of trees through bark taking, and other extreme damage in the wild..as Seldom once pointed to: "cast not pearls to swine.."


(p.s. to those swine..stay the f-away from national parks and reserves..we are moving in on you, and you're going to get spotted and handed over)

Thank you Nen!

And my apologies I didn't mean that as a reflection of people not wanting to ID, it was more my lazy phrasing meaning that I understand that this thread only gets looked at occasionally due to the large volume of newer members requesting ID's in their enthusiasm. (me being one of them)

I did my best to research using the Lucid ID page, and narrowed it down to about 10 species until i clicked "WA region" and then only longifolia remained, so it had me doubting the result as I am sure it wasn't a native/natural addition to this front garden.

I am glad though, I had been eyeing off this tree in my yard since moving in 6 months ago due to the phyllodes alone, and it wasnt until this week that I actually started to see a sign of flowering giving me a hint that it might be acacia.

I appreciate your in depth research and sharing, and have spent many, many nights reading it. I am looking forward to heading out this summer for bush walks and pay respects to A.Acuminata that we are blessed with.
 
The other little shame is that shortly after i moved in they did a massive cut back on this tree as it was hanging over the driveway scratching cars. Unfortunately I missed the day that they hacked it up, I could have helped dispose of those cut pieces!
 
howdy all! miss you guys. anyways my old gf just moved into a nice place in the hills here in LA and i noticed what looks like an acacia but i'm not knowledgeable of the type. was hoping you guys could help. hope all is well and bless the nexus for all the hard work.
 

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So I had various acacia seeds last spring which I planted. I have a couple of little trees which I don't remember what they are, so I'm wondering if someone might know.
 

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..a rare moment of free time, so..thanks SpathiEluder, glad you have gotten something from the nights of acacia research..

ForgotMyPen and Bodhisativa .. thats's Acacia longifolia

mailorderdiety..nice to hear from you...that looks like Acacia stenophylla (which was enquired about in another thread recently)

and BundleflowerPower..great you've gotten on to growing, the trees will thank you..at that age (young) with the juvenile leaves (bi-pinnate) still coming off the phyllodes, it's pretty hard to say what the youngling is (labelling is good) ..could be acuminata..or any of the narrower phyllode species...looks fairly happy though..

keep growing acacia appreciators..

and please be kind to trees...
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ps...mailorderdiety, and others in California, this nursery in San Marcos has a nice range of australian acacias ready to put in the ground : San Marcos Growers >Acacia
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thanks so much nen! so glad to both get an id and hear from you.. also i love san marcos.. found the most amazing nursery hidden there that specializes in trich cactus.. omg.. they have it all. *edit.. also looked up Acacia stenophylla for alkaloids and couldn't really find anything anybody have any idea. i only have my nose and my frying pan and my grinder and mapacho and lime powder. was thinking of the seeds
 
Hi, i found this acacia, unfortunately not in flowering and i don't know if the photo are good, anyway what can be ? found it in south of Italy (Sicily island) in holidays.
 

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hi xa..i always find australian acacias naturalised elsewhere interesting..

that's Acacia retinodes, which has naturalised in Italy, Spain and islands off Greece..
it has some potentially interesting things going on, if you search a little..
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Hi, good, it's 100% acacia retinodes ? are you sure ?
I'll search more, it's interesting, i go there in holidays often and i collect some seed, maybe i can plant them, unfortunately i don't know if i can harvest and take it home, but maybe made an acid brew there and bring back it :)

Thanks
 
well i did my own test. toasted seeds, mixed with mapacho and lime dust. tasted almost exactly like yopo seeds. same sort of pressure in head and almost a ringing sound but no visuals.. a nice feeling overall
 
I came across a weird gathering of acacias(?) the other day. I was at a sports field and noticed plenty of longifolia scattered around the area, but noticed in the distance a collection of rather large trees covered in yellow flowers and thought that they looked quite impressively sized for longifolia, so I went over to them to have a closer look, and of course found that they weren't longifolia at all - and in fact I have no idea what they are.

Just as interesting, there were two very distinct species there, interspersed with some longifolia, so 3 different species, all with nice yellow flowers in bloom all within a 10m radius (though the two unidentified trees have ball style flowers compared to longifolias cylinder style.)

Anyway, I've been browsing through photos in the DMT extraction thread, and randomly pulling up photos of any species to see if I could spot photos which look like these, but not found any yet, so might as well post them here while I'm on....

Anyone know what these are?

FIRST SPECIES:
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SECOND SPECIES:
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And a younger plant next to it:
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Hey there

Have found two species lately in New Zealand to minimise the possibilities! I think the first is a floribunda and the second a baileyana but interested in others thoughts?
Thank you in advance!

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