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Botany Acacia and Mimosa Identification Thread

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acacian said:
Lupis Arante, your latest photos are probably Acacia Disparrima.. note the shape of the pods. should have numerous longitudinal veins non anastomosing

Acacian, you are a legend. I am struggling to find much information about the alkaloid content of this species. My guess would be it has little to none or there would be much more information. Can anyone elaborate on information gathered about a.disparrima? Has anyone done a regent test to see if trace amounts are identified/ anyone done an extraction?

Thanks again everyone!
 
I think that pretty much anything within section juliflorae (rod flowers) is worth a test.. Nerve's are a hint too :)

And I'd say your guess may well be wrong as many acacia's are untested.. they are a pretty juvenile area of research. also keep in mind that some researchers may not be vocal about their findings in care of the trees. if your gonna test it just prune some twigs and phyllodes they will be a good enough indicator.

does the tree draw you in? thats really what it comes down to I think..

good luck
 
acacian said:
I think that pretty much anything within section juliflorae (rod flowers) is worth a test.. Nerve's are a hint too :)

And I'd say your guess may well be wrong as many acacia's are untested.. they are a pretty juvenile area of research. also keep in mind that some researchers may not be vocal about their findings in care of the trees. if your gonna test it just prune some twigs and phyllodes they will be a good enough indicator.

does the tree draw you in? thats really what it comes down to I think..

good luck

You recommend doing an A/B on some twigs and phyllodes?

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the tree drawing me in. It did catch my eye and I felt the need to investigate its species... So I guess so? :)
 
Lupis Arante said:
You recommend doing an A/B on some twigs and phyllodes?

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the tree drawing me in. It did catch my eye and I felt the need to investigate its species... So I guess so? :)

Yeah I'd do an a/b .. maybe get around 200g of material. yeah that was what I meant ^
 
acacian said:
Lupis Arante said:
You recommend doing an A/B on some twigs and phyllodes?

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the tree drawing me in. It did catch my eye and I felt the need to investigate its species... So I guess so? :)

Yeah I'd do an a/b .. maybe get around 200g of material. yeah that was what I meant ^

I usually use cybs hybrid salt tek, thats based on 50g of material. Do you think that would give an accurate measure? Or have a way to extract the alkaloids in order to decrease plant material to 50g? Sorry for so many questions, you are an incredible source of knowledge. Thank you very much.
 
Well the thing is their yield may be significantly lower than other well known yielding acacias so using the amount of material you normally would with a high content plant like confusa(?) may behave much differently and yield next to nothing (or not!)..

Using around 150-200g of material means that if it is a lower yielding species then you will still obtain some extract.. if you only used 50g of material that only had say 0.2-0.3% alkaloids you won't yield much even if it is active and may make the assumption it has nothing in it... and with an active phyllode species 0.2-0.3 is no big deal as its not so harmful to harvest a few more phyllodes.

think of it as a more concrete way of knowing its yield.. or a "safeguard".. if the yield is active but negligable then try testing it at other times of year or in differen't weather conditions and if its not worth using in any of those conditions then you will know its not worth pursuing .. but still worth admiring :)
 
acacian said:
Well the thing is their yield may be significantly lower than other well known yielding acacias so using the amount of material you normally would with a high content plant like confusa(?) may behave much differently and yield next to nothing (or not!)..

Using around 150-200g of material means that if it is a lower yielding species then you will still obtain some extract.. if you only used 50g of material that only had say 0.2-0.3% alkaloids you won't yield much even if it is active and may make the assumption it has nothing in it... and with an active phyllode species 0.2-0.3 is no big deal as its not so harmful to harvest a few more phyllodes.

think of it as a more concrete way of knowing its yield.. or a "safeguard".. if the yield is active but negligable then try testing it at other times of year or in differen't weather conditions and if its not worth using in any of those conditions then you will know its not worth pursuing .. but still worth admiring :)

Wow, I hadn't really though of it that way... Thank you for the new outlook.

So would cybs salt tek still be viable with increased plant material amount? or should I be looking for a new tek?
 
DreaMTripper said:
Yes that is a.blanka. 😉

:lol:

One I would like some help with.. it was found growing on the border of the warrumbungles. flowered early-mid september so I'm guessing its pods are probably near fully formed now. Had a great character about it (its the sexy one in my avatar)

as far as I gather it is part of section plurinerves.. the apex of the phyllodes was very sharp! similar in appearance to a. venulosa but no anastomy present and the flowers are arranged on longer stalks as opposed to those of venulosa which grow closely along the stems
 

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hi,
sorry about that blank post the other day, phone issues. lets try again.
 

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samsara.. what is your locality? have you seen the plant flower or pod before?

also for anyone interested the tree i posted above I now believe is a variety of acacia lanigera, also known as the 'woolly wattle' :)
 
I'm doing trial n error as I'm surrounded by different Acacia's, can anyone tell me if they have encountered a cloudy residue instead of crystals forming?? I'm completely new to this so trying to figure out if I'm doing something wrong following the tek or it's the plant material I'm using. Anyone in or around bris willing to give me a hand or another newbie wants to compare notes would be good
 
^ acacias can yield extracts which vary a lot in appearance but may still contain what your looking.. if you bioassay be sure the cloudiness is not some kind of chemical residue
 
Is this acacia saligna?
Flowers are round and yellow
I read here something about 0.5% alkaloids but then the id was wrong and then not!?... anyone tested this acacia?
 

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And i need an id for this one please.
 

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I found these, but heard Acuminata has thinner leaves, and I saw just that earlier today.
Will post after these
 

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Hi there,

I am looking to identify what I hope is an Acacia Simplex. Let me get more into details here.

I live in the South Pacific, and I know we have some Acacia Simplex where I live, but not quiet sure if I'm sure wich one it is... I saw on the internet that Simplex has kind of roundy yellow flowers, but the one I saw has that kind of long, not round at all flowers, a bit like that, but not quiet as long and really small compared to the picture :


Another picture of flowers looking like what I got on my trees : http://hasbrouck.asu.edu/imglib/seinet/Fabaceae/photos/Acacia_millefolia_9-16-2009_2-43-50_PM.JPG

The flowers on my trees were dry tho, so I cannot really say it is exactly looking like the pictures. I cannot even say the color they are, being dry. The pictures are just to show you the general shape of the flowers.

Do you think it still can be a Simplex? Or has the flowers to be round, ball style (like this : like this : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Acacia_constricta_flower.jpg)? I must say I was almost certain my trees were A. Simplex, until I saw the dry flowers, not round shaped like what I saw on the internet...

The trees are around the beach, maybe 3-4 meters tall.

The leaves of the tree are bright green, look thick, greasy and plasticy (on young trees). On some young trees, the leaves are kind of round and spoon shaped. The ones on bigger trees are still bright green, but not quiet as round and spoon shaped. They are also less thick and greasy.

The outer bark is brown to dark brown, while the inner bark is reddish brown to pale red, with some parts being bloody red.

Another thing is, I tried and cut a little bit of bark from the tree, a lot of sticky latex came out. I may have touched my face with hands and something like 30min after, my face and eyes started burning. Few hours later, even after washing my face, I still feel my eyes and face skin burning. Is that common when dealing with Simplex latex? Or is Simplex latex supposed to be "innofensive"? Or any other Acacia latex is irritating or isn't?

However, the bark I got is reddish brown to pale red and bloody red on some parts, is that a good sign? I read somewhere that red bark tends to have dmt in it, is it correct or is it common, even on non-dmt containing trees?

So what do you think? Simplex or not Simplex? If not, what could it be?

I know it is a lot of questions, but I would like to be sure the trees I got really are Simplex trees, or at least a specie containing dmt. Not to mention there is not a whole lot of info on Simplex trees. Some sources even seem to be contradictory on some points.

I would love to extract and try a little of that mystical thing dmt is, but I will only be able to try the extraction in a few weeks.

I would also like to thank everyone here for all the content provided. This seems like a great community of peacefull and respectfull people.

In the hope I will finally be able to get this done, thank you very much.
 
Pretty new to DMT extraction. Need identification.

The first two are from the same plant.
 

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