Botany Acacia and Mimosa Identification Thread

[melbouiod]

@astro
Your unknown acacia #1 is most certainly a juvenile Melanoxylon, those smaller bi-pinnate leaves are a dead ringer for mela. Even on the larger trees most new growth begins with bi-pinnate leaves, this is typical of Melanoxylon (and they are everywhere )
One of of the less examined acacias for tryptamines, but the wood sounds spectacular as a six stringed instrument.

page 50 something

I wonder if the council is breeding out dmt from A. melonoxylon xing it with A. mearnsii.

[the csiro had a positive hit on A. melonoxylon +++ 1 out of 3] local willd Healsville.

I'od is currently expermenting with an old strain of A. melonoxylon +++. This strain does not have
bi pinnate on any tree, juvy too adult. Very broard green papery pyllys and cream pom pom for flowers.
I have a found and identified the acacias in my backyard. I bring you all a positive Id on
A. stricta, A. elata
A. dallachiana (1 positive tryptamine report, hybridizes with A. phlebophylla) N. Vic, Aus.,
Please be patient with these ancient trees. Respect. P8)

peace out

Ps
I'od will cracki the molly out of melonoxylon, I belive we have found the positive one, they are so powerful and outstanding, I have potent resin I'od did an a/b... re ex time.
All I'od needsta re ex with fasa to unlock the alks from resin thats where hes at...

 

[wira]

Sakkadelic - the pics in your first post on this page do look like saligna.

Bloobloo - first pics look like somewhere in the longifolia/sophorae complex. Pics in your next post look more like the longifolia end of the spectrum.
The one after that is too blurry to tell.
Next one is possibly implexa.
Next one is probably pycnantha.

MultiDimensionalTherapy - that looks like longifolia ssp. longifolia.

 

[MultiDimensionalTherapy]

thank you wira

 

[Norsern_vind]

Recommended I repost here.

SWIM obtained what were claimed to be AC seeds. Now a few months into growth, they look nothing like what SWIM believe AC to look like, namely the following:

- Red striations and coloring, where as AC tends to have a yellow/green color.

- Rounded leaf tips, where as AC has more of a pronounced tip

- Leaf size is more than double what I'm used to seeing

- Stem is red, where as AC growth tends to be green


Anyone have any ideas? SWIM quite disappointed because been taking care of these guys for months, but its no biggie because it was a learning experience.

 

[psychotropia1]

What about this beauty?

Fingers Crossed!

 

[Norsern_vind]

Seeds were assumed to be obustifolia, but unfaniliar with this variety.

Only major defining characteristic I see is purple color in stem and purple outline around true leaf edge, with slight reddish/purple coloration at tip of phyllode.

 

[Perth Guy]

Is this Acacia Acuminata? Perth (around northam) - from a documented location with acuminate but tree obviously not labelled, I haven't searched or found acuminate before so some ID help/confirmation would be awesome!

Sorry the flowers are not out, however you can see small fat caterpillar like "buds", these are quite long compared to lots of other acacia types I've inspected recently that are starting to flower - the flowers are meant to be from July - I'm guessing it would take around 6 weeks or so for these to mature.

This seems like a hard plant to ID without flowers - if someone has some tips to help pick this plant in future if there aren't flowers or seed pods around I'd love to know them!

I was unable to find any seed pods on the plant or on the ground (Suspect they've all fallen off over summer

I'm guessing this is the narrow leaf variet Acacia Acuminata and there should be some nice alkaloids in the leaf/stems I've collected (no bark etc)

 

[JefFlux]

looks like Acuminata - but the broad leaf variety, which seem to have a bit of a white dusty edge sometimes too. The thin leaf Amcuminata has needle like phyllodes (like a thick green pine needle!)

 

[Perth Guy]

looks like Acuminata - but the broad leaf variety, which seem to have a bit of a white dusty edge sometimes too. The thin leaf Amcuminata has needle like phyllodes (like a thick green pine needle!)

Thanks Jetflux! dang I don't have the best one - I was expecting to see the narrow variety around there, I didn't realise they were pine needle thin! But at least I have an active one :d :lol:

They seem pretty hard to ID without the flowers out - the buds do look promising from looking at the pictures - but this is my first time seeing one

 

[limolords]

yes mate that is definatly acuminada.
broard leaf.!
the phylodes of broad leak are quite tricky to work with!
the gold standard of acuminada is the thin phylode acuminada.
quite a bit smaller tree and the phylodes are far superier for extracting and are perfect AAA
for ayahuasca brews.
and yes you do realy need to basify to about 12 or 13ph.
acuminada is a strange acacia extraction and yeald wise.!
this time of year is the lowest point for alkaloid content.
which is quite strange considering that on the east coast this is the peak of
the alkaloid content season for obtucifolia and courtii and most
outher dmt containing acacias.!
the bark of the broad phylode acuminada will have .7-.9 at this time of the year.
and the verry peak of the season is around late october.
notice the curved tips of the phylodes ,
and look closely at the edges of the phylodes as the have verry tiny hairs on them.
best to use a magnifying glass to get a good look at them.
the phylodes could have as little as .2 up to .7% right now depending on rainfall
and soil type in the area where you found them.
i personally would not bother trying to do an extraction on those particular spieces
of acuminada at this time of the year.!
but would be a good experiment for you to try and see wat comes out.
but the bark will be beauitful .!
you should be able to collect some fallen branches easily around that area,
and if you look at the flower buds of your specimens.
they are quite small , and the main reason that acuminada is so low in alkaoid at this time of year as far as we have been able to dissern compared to the east coast acacias at this time of year,
is that they seem to put all there energy into flowering and neglect growth in the rest of the tree incase there is not much rain over the summer,
they seem to put all of there energy into flowereing and seeding.
ITS ALL ABOUT THE WATER!!!
if you notice while you are driving around the area that most of the bigger trees are on the
side of the road,!!!
that is because of the water run off to the furrows on the side of the road.!
even though that area has gotten a fair bit of rain in the past few years ,somtimes it
is extremly dry for a long time .
they are extremly drought resistant, and if they are not growing in the valleys or on the sides of the roads than they are growing out of the grannet outcrops where they can get
water or moisture from the rocks.!
if you have alook at my post under the introduction essays.
under the heading . dmt no caustic no solvent,
you will find a verry extencive pdf about all spieces of acuminada, and where to find all the different sub spieces so you wont have to stess about identification .!
the thin phylode acuminada is the gold bro.!!!
and the phylodes are pretty much pure dmt.
and can be up to 1.4-5% in late october all the way through summer.
it seems to be the heat stress in the dryer months that trigger the high dmt yealds.!i hpe that answers you id questions and then some.

LIMOLORDS

ACUMINADA DREAMING

WESTCOSTThumbs up

 

[limolords]

complete acuminada pdf

on a lighter note,
western australia still has huge amount of acuminadas all over the place.
nubies still just go to those aras around york and toodjay and northam now because it is only
1 hour out of perth, relativly close considering the size of the growing range of acuminadas in wa.
they grow all the way from geraldton , 400km north of perth , all the way down to 100 ks south east of perth , and all the way out to kalgoolie 600 km east of perth and far beyond.
pretty much 1 unbroken acaia forest,
and thy have been there for hundreds of millions of years

and in that area millions of square kms there are ,
6 main sub spieces of acacia acuminada ,
and up to 64 genetic varients and cross pollinations.!!!

WOW yes most people have no idea how many trees there are really are out there.
so there is no fucken excuse for stripping tree at all ever for any fucken reason.
there are 10s of thousands of fallen over trees and broken branches every ware.
you only have to pick the braches of the ground and still fresh enough to use ,
no wories..

and besides that ,
the phylodes have a higher content in them anyway for most of the year,
so you only need to take literaly a handfull of each tree,!!!
and as acuminada is the highest yealding dmt acacis in australia .
all you need in one kg of dried phylodes at 1.2-1.4% to get 10 to 14 grams.
more than enough for everyone if havested susstainably.

anyway ill post again soon.
goin to the beach for a surf.

susstainabillity is the only way to go forwarsd for us.

and jetflux.!

the needle poin acuminada you mentioned,
actualy isnt thin phylode acuminada,
thin phylode acuminada looks pretty much identical to broad leaf acuminada but a smaller version and the phylodes are only a few millimeters thiner than broad phylode acuminada.
with slightly longer minute hairs on the edges of the phylodes than the hairs on broad leaf acuminada.!

the one that has the needle point phylodes is called acacia burkitii.
which is one of the of the 7 varients of acacia acuminada.
there are 3 varients of acacia burkitii.!

acacia acuminada/burkitii variant 1
acacia acuminada/burkitii variant 2
both of which look almost identical to
acacia acuminada thin phylode varient
exept that where the thin phylode acuminada get sparcly spread out as
it streches out in to the more arid zones then the
acacia acuminada/burkitii variants 1 and 2 take over and stretch out into the desert.
and acacia burkitii ever grows as far east as western new south wales,
around burk and broken hill.!!!

yes thats right, you dont even have to go all
the way to western australia,!
you can get acuminadas,or shoud i say
acacia burkitii in large ares of nsw and south australia.
and yes they to are highly active with large
alkaloid contents as well..

its interesting to note about anastimisation,
that there is a direct relationship
between the loose or tight spacing of the anstimisation in the phylodes,
in the different dmt containing spieces of acacias,
and the actual levels of dmt alkloids in the different spieces.!

the way it goes is ,
the larger spacing of the anastimisation the lower the dmt alkaloid content,
in such spieces like acacia obtuifolia,
which has cosderably less dmt content say from .4 to .9,
and somtimes up to 1% .
and have quite large anasimisation spacing paterns.

where as
acacia courtii has much tighter anastimisation paterns
and is a solid 1% in winter and most of the year.

where as acacia acuminada in all varients,
has such tight anastimisation paterns that
even when held up to the sun in verry dificult
to see at all.!

verry interesting observation actualy.
as who would even notice somthing like that exept humans?
must be meant to be i think!

so there you go people.
the acuminada report that i have posted above,

will give you everything you could ever
possibly need or want to know about acacia acuminada
and all its varients.
it was compiled as a reserch study for the sandlwood industry.
as acacia acuminada is the host spieces for the westaustralian
sandlwood tree.
the sandlwood tree is a parisite spieces that feed of the acuminada tree.
interesting hey.!

thats a bit of dence reading for all you
acaciafiles.
hope you all find what you are looking for in there
there are some cool color photos too.

PEACE OUT

OM MANI PADME HUM

ACUMINADA DREAMING
DOWNUNDER

LIMOLORDS

 

[limolords]

sorry i didnt see back on page 36 that somone had allwready posted that pdf.
but since we are taling about acuminadas ithought id ad it in to the conversation again.
as it was a long time ago when it was posted and is still the best one

and ENDLESSNES!

you are a legend bro.
iv been out there (wa) for many years too.

peace out

LIMOLORDS

LIMOLORDS

 

[melotikaci]

I found some trees that look like Acacia(?). I'm absolute noob at identifying plants so maybe you could help.

 

[roninsina]

^^^^^^

Looks like a black locust, to me.

 

[melotikaci]

^^^^^^

Looks like a black locust, to me.

Is that suggestion valid in eastern Europe too?

 

[roninsina]

They are native to a small area of the eastern United States, but have been cultivated throughout the world's temperate zones. I'm no expert, just used to seeing them. I could be mistaken, those seed pods are a bit short and fat.

 

[melotikaci]

They are native to a small area of the eastern United States, but have been cultivated throughout the world's temperate zones. I'm no expert, just used to seeing them. I could be mistaken, those seed pods are a bit short and fat.

Thanks anyway!

 

[leratiomyces]

Hi Guys,

Can someone assist with an acacia ID please?

Southern coastal NSW
Mid August - winter
Altitude 300m
Typical phyllode 10cm x 0.7cm

 

[GarGa]

i think this is similar to post #1164:

anyone can help?
thanks.

 

[Autocultivo]

Not after an ID. Just throwing up some photos, a few small twigs of an Acacia found in NZ. Not verified active. Some things are just obvious.

Heavily mutated phylodes, flower spikes protruding from twig tips, the entire tree is more red/purple than green, interesting specimen. No full photos, unique and stand alone, planted assumed 20+ years, going to be felled awaiting seed set and maturation. Thick gnarled bark unusual for A.Flori (in my experience) judged upon several naturalized stands (seen both in NZ, and AUS)