Advice for newbie brother to DMT?

[AstralProjectee]

HI all, I am wanting to have my brother try some DMT but he has depression and anxiety mostly at work and he uses an SSRI to help keep it under control. He drinks almost every night. But he does not get angry like he use to. I don't want to be responsible if something were to happen to him after taking DMT. Like a bad trip and he gets worse mentally. He has been really mentally unstable in the past, like 4-5 years ago or so. SSRI's has saved his life. But he has been doing fine for quite a while now. I just don't want him to get worse.

So what should I do? Should I get him some DMT? Should I just give him a small amount and if he wants he can slowly take a little more each time? I don't know what would be best. The last thing I want is for him to take it and end up in a hellish experience and he ends up quiting his job because he's depressed and anxious, then he blames me. Or should I just try to get him to switch to another medication in which he can take MDMA or a 2C or something potentially less harsh?

BTW he did say he would try DMT.

I almost think it would be best if he had something else to go with DMT like MDMA in order to help prevent a bad trip. But for the MDMA to work he would have to switch medications. And if he does that then he id as well just start off with MDMA which is safer I think. The reason I would rather him possibly start with DMT is that I read that it's still effective even though your on an SSRI. At least in some anecdotal testimonies I read.

Thoughts please. Peace.

 

[Psychelectric]

Does your brother want to try DMT. The way you put it is that YOU want your brother to try DMT, and I don't think that's the right way to go about things. If your brother really does want to try it, then that's one thing. If you want him to try it just because you think it's awesome, or you think it will help, thats a completely different thing. He may not be ready for it. Someone with significant depression and anxiety might not be mentally prepared for the shock that DMT can bring. It might not be wise to get him to try it.

If you're afraid that he might have a bad trip, if you have those doubts in your mind, I'll say that if it was my brother, I wouldn't get him to try DMT.

Likewise trying to medicate him with MDMA doesn't seem like a safe thing to do, especially considering that he is on an SSRI. And getting him to stop his medication wouldn't be smart. You did state that SSRIs saved his life.

DMT seems like the kind of "medicine" that people seek out, trying to gain knowledge about themselves. It takes a certain kind of person to gravitate toward DMT. If drinking is your brother's drug of choice than DMT is probably not for him. It's a very intense experience and can traumatize those unprepared for it.

I know you want to help your brother. If you want to try to pull him out of depression and anxiety by throwing the most powerful psychedelic in his face, that may make matters worse. Though it may help. Who knows. You can't be sure. It's almost impossible to tell how he would react.

The real question is, Is that a risk that you are willing to take? From what I read into your post it doesn't seem like it is. Honestly if it were my brother I'd lean towards the side of caution and not get him DMT unless he was 100% ready for it, excited to try it and metally prepared for the consequences.

Just my thoughts.

Peace.

 

[*oneironaut*]

100% agree with Psychelectric

Many of the trip reports that resulted in a negative aftermath were often people dealing with long bouts of depression and anxiety. I think having a firm foot on the ground is important when embarking on such an unpredictable journey. Starting out "slow" is also difficult to gauge, not only do peoples physical "tolerance" to it vary so much, but so does the experience and how people handle and integrate the experience. Several lower dose experiences certainly won't guarantee he can handle the inevitable breakthrough dose. Maybe he will, maybe he won't.. but is that something YOU want to risk for your brother.. of course not.

I also would also stress what Psych said, that one should find their own way to DMT and REALLY want to do it and have done ample research (not that any amount of research can prepare you for the experience, but at least then you know the person is making the decision based on genuine interest and desire). I read books, scowered the internet and trolled the Nexus for a year before I tried it (that's of course just my path, but I feel DMT should be approached with respect and due delagence).

DMT is not going to cure depression, it does't work that way. And it poses a much higher risk with his medications..and those are meds you can't just stop cold turkey to try something like dmt. Your brother's chances of having a negative experience and even worse an inability to properly integrate it into his life are much higher than the probability of some miraculous positive change. There are people that frequently come to the Nexus with problems that span years beyond the actual "trip"... DMT is no joke.

As Psych also pointed out, it seems this is more about your desire to share the experience with your brother and "show him the way". It sounds like you care deeply for your brother, and I know you woul truly regret it if something went wrong, especially since it is you proposing it to him. In my tiny and humble opinion. Don't give it to him, if he truly wants it, have him spend a couple months visiting the Nexus and coming to the experience on his own accord.

I wish your brother well! Drugs are probably not the answer here, temporary band aids, perhaps.

*O*

 

[AstralProjectee]

Does your brother want to try DMT.

Yes he did after telling him about psychedelics and then DMT.

Likewise trying to medicate him with MDMA doesn't seem like a safe thing to do, especially considering that he is on an SSRI.

I am trying to keep him away from MDMA since as I said he would have to switch medications to do that.

And getting him to stop his medication wouldn't be smart. You did state that SSRIs saved his life.

I said switch his medication, not stop it. I agree he should not stop his medication. But I do know there is certain kinds of medication that are much better for taking MDMA with.

DMT seems like the kind of "medicine" that people seek out, trying to gain knowledge about themselves. It takes a certain kind of person to gravitate toward DMT. If drinking is your brother's drug of choice than DMT is probably not for him. It's a very intense experience and can traumatize those unprepared for it.

Well it's only his drug of choice because that is the only drug he knows of. LOL But I agree that DMT might fuck him up, IDK.

I know you want to help your brother. If you want to try to pull him out of depression and anxiety by throwing the most powerful psychedelic in his face, that may make matters worse. Though it may help. Who knows. You can't be sure. It's almost impossible to tell how he would react.

The real question is, Is that a risk that you are willing to take? From what I read into your post it doesn't seem like it is. Honestly if it were my brother I'd lean towards the side of caution and not get him DMT unless he was 100% ready for it, excited to try it and mentally prepared for the consequences.

Yeah your right. I will probably try to get him to switch his medication to something that will not hinder MDMA. I think MDMA would be a much better first choice.

Thanks, peace.

 

[*oneironaut*]

Coincidentally read some of the reports linked in the last post on this thread:

Why you should NOT take DMT - First steps in Hyperspace - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[AstralProjectee]

100% agree with Psychelectric

Many of the trip reports that resulted in a negative aftermath were often people dealing with long bouts of depression and anxiety. I think having a firm foot on the ground is important when embarking on such an unpredictable journey. Starting out "slow" is also difficult to gauge, not only do peoples physical "tolerance" to it vary so much, but so does the experience and how people handle and integrate the experience. Several lower dose experiences certainly won't guarantee he can handle the inevitable breakthrough dose. Maybe he will, maybe he won't.. but is that something YOU want to risk for your brother.. of course not.

I also would also stress what Psych said, that one should find their own way to DMT and REALLY want to do it and have done ample research (not that any amount of research can prepare you for the experience, but at least then you know the person is making the decision based on genuine interest and desire). I read books, scowered the internet and trolled the Nexus for a year before I tried it (that's of course just my path, but I feel DMT should be approached with respect and due delagence).

DMT is not going to cure depression, it does't work that way. And it poses a much higher risk with his medications..and those are meds you can't just stop cold turkey to try something like dmt. Your brother's chances of having a negative experience and even worse an inability to properly integrate it into his life are much higher than the probability of some miraculous positive change. There are people that frequently come to the Nexus with problems that span years beyond the actual "trip"... DMT is no joke.

As Psych also pointed out, it seems this is more about your desire to share the experience with your brother and "show him the way". It sounds like you care deeply for your brother, and I know you woul truly regret it if something went wrong, especially since it is you proposing it to him. In my tiny and humble opinion. Don't give it to him, if he truly wants it, have him spend a couple months visiting the Nexus and coming to the experience on his own accord.

I wish your brother well! Drugs are probably not the answer here, temporary band aids, perhaps.

*O*

Thanks for your input. I will have my brother try to switch meds so that he can try MDMA and others first. Then when he is ready he can explore DMT. MDMA is about the safest you can get so, keeps you grounded.

I must also say that I was not expecting my brother to get fixed by DMT or anything like that. I am sure some people that regularly take psychedelics still have anxiety and depression, but on a certain level I am sure that they can help if used correctly for A&D.

Thanks, love, peace and light.

 

[*oneironaut*]

MDMA is about the safest you can get so, ...

This is actually not true at all, believe me I loved my MDMA back in the day, but it is far from safe. It actually has quite a low LD50 and I've seen countless trips to the hospital. Last summer a DJ spent two weeks in a coma, and she only took one hit and was a veteran roller... so not saying don't do it, but do shy away from making a statement like "its the safest" on a forum, because it definitely isn't.

Love, preacher man

Good luck with you brother my friend, I hope he finds relief and glad you decided to hold on the dmt.
:thumb_up:

 

[Psychelectric]

DMT seems like the kind of "medicine" that people seek out, trying to gain knowledge about themselves. It takes a certain kind of person to gravitate toward DMT. If drinking is your brother's drug of choice than DMT is probably not for him. It's a very intense experience and can traumatize those unprepared for it.

Well it's only his drug of choice because that is the only drug he knows of. LOL But I agree that DMT might fuck him up, IDK.

I know you want to help your brother. If you want to try to pull him out of depression and anxiety by throwing the most powerful psychedelic in his face, that may make matters worse. Though it may help. Who knows. You can't be sure. It's almost impossible to tell how he would react.

The real question is, Is that a risk that you are willing to take? From what I read into your post it doesn't seem like it is. Honestly if it were my brother I'd lean towards the side of caution and not get him DMT unless he was 100% ready for it, excited to try it and mentally prepared for the consequences.

Yeah your right. I will probably try to get him to switch his medication to something that will not hinder MDMA. I think MDMA would be a much better first choice.

Thanks, peace.[/quote]



I'm not sure why you'd want your brother to switch his meds, meds you state "saved his life" just to get him to try MDMA. Either way, you know your brother. What I would say, if he does switch his medication Id would make absolutely certain that there was no risk of a drug interaction with whatever med he switches to, if that ends up happening. Most drugs that treat depression work the serotonin pathway, as does MDMA and combining them can be dangerous. Id talk to a Doc or pharmacist before getting him to try MDMA if he will be on another med, especially one that treats depression, and defiantly start on a low dose, just to gauge how he would react if you decide to pursue that. I know enough pharmacology and have seen enough adverse drug reactions to be cautious. I had to tell a friend of mine, who really wanted to try auyaskaska that he couldn't because I feared an interaction with the meds he was on with an MAOI. Either way the moral if this rant is just be cautious, don't act too hasty.

Also if EtOH is the only drug he knows, if you really want a safe "new" drug for him to try, why not a little Mary Jane. Though Im willing to guess that your bro has smoked some pot before and maybe doesn't like it. Or he gets routinely drug tested.

Either way I hope I don't sound like I'm beating a dead horse, Im just cautious, I really just wish the best for you and your brother.

Peace, Love and Good Luck.

 

[AstralProjectee]

Don't worry Psychelectric I would start him off at a low dose no matter what. And he has switched meds before, but never off of an SSRI which is what I think he needs to do in order to be OK with MDMA.

As far as MJ, well his job could test him any time for MJ. He has said he would never try anything that would show up on a common drug test, so. BTW I never asked him to take MJ, I would never put him in that kind of predicament.

Psychelectric ~ "Either way I hope I don't sound like I'm beating a dead horse, Im just cautious, I really just wish the best for you and your brother."

Don't worry, as long as we don't do anything too drastic he should be fine. And thank for your concern.

Peace, love, and light.