Anxiety and Tripping~

[Sky Motion]

I totally agree with stalepixel. As much as you might think (over-analyze) that you would be more anxious at a public place because that is the usual tendancy and since psychedelics make you more anxious then ... 1 + 1 = 2x more anxious. But it doesn't, not necessarily.

I've yet to try this with anything but shrooms but I had an absolute blast on 2g of shrooms at a friend's party knowing about 1/3 of the people there, ZERO anxiety, tons of energy and we chatted through the comedown.
I did a "control" to compare recently with 2g of shrooms alone and it was about less than 25% as enjoyable and I didn't "get anything out of it"

I don't know if it would be the same with LSD or Mescaline or 2c-e but phenethylamine react oddly to me anyway (or vice-versa)

Interesting input, it's good that you were able to maintain such a good mindset at a party of all places. Very respectable.

 

[atomic.dharma]

I used to have anxiety so bad, I couldn't sleep for days at a time (3 in a row one time). My bottom lip quivered, and I could barely speak to people. Everyone goes through times when their confidence fails, some worse than others. I had it really bad. Thoughts of ending it all, self hatred, the whole nine yards.

But here is the kicker, and why I responded to your post. I firmly believe that before I used the spice, I had every doubt that I was more than a decaying bag of juice and meat. After what I witnessed the first time I went over, I started to believe that I had a spirit. After reading Tao Te Ching, the Tibettan Book of the Dead, Ashtanga Practice and Teachings, What the Bleep (Interviews), and various Deepak Chopra Titles, I am now firmly convinced that I have a spirit. I won't go into a detailed breakdown proof of why, but I believe I could prove it even logically now (especially to myself). By the sum of this, I now can't be depressed or have any anxiety that isn't generated by being attacked by someone (going on a year now - pure bliss). To understand and truly believe that the universe is one giant super intelligent force, designing us for experience and generating new spirits through the crucible of earthly bodies, makes my anxiety impossible. You have all the time in the universe, if you believe you are infinite. There can't really be anxiety or depression, only boredom, if you've gleaned certain things. Entheogens have been super chargers for my meditation practice.

So I would say certainly they should give psychedelics to people with emotional and psychological problems. Some psychologists even do give them to patients. I met a girl in college, who had serious problems resulting from an abusive mother. She was given a dose of mushrooms by her doctor (not a conventional doctor of course), and sort of forced to relive the pain and thus allowed to reprogram her response and resulting disposition. Per her, it worked and made all the difference in the world. That said, I believe it can go the other way, and LSD, Mushrooms, Peyote and DMT are all vastly different. I think long lasting stuff (i.e. LSD, Mushrooms and Peyote can really mess someone up if they are not in a good place emotionally. DMT, however, I think is safe and healing no matter what, because it quite frankly rips all of that away and takes you to your core self. Plus it only lasts 10 minutes. Another example I can think of is a girl who I saw use DMT, saying that she was forced to traverse all the weaknesses she had performed in her life, all at once. She emerged from this by saying she would never apologize again, and now possesses confidence and a cheerfulness that was not there before.

To sum it up, I'm almost convinced that DMT (not so much the slower movers like LSD and Mushrooms), is a great psychological curing device. My theory on this, is that it takes you back to spirit for a moment, almost like a child again. All of the constructs that support your ego are suspended just long enough to get a good look at them. This can help people understand, or even break down. But in my experience a breakdown is sometimes all someone needs to move on to a more healthy and carefree lifestyle, which I think is what we are all after, and then some. I think these "drugs", the entheogens, are gifts through which we get to access varying degrees and flavors of universal wisdom.

It might be worth checking out the pharmacratic inquisition:

[YOUTUBE]

 

[Sky Motion]

I used to have anxiety so bad, I couldn't sleep for days at a time (3 in a row one time). My bottom lip quivered, and I could barely speak to people. Everyone goes through times when their confidence fails, some worse than others. I had it really bad. Thoughts of ending it all, self hatred, the whole nine yards.

But here is the kicker, and why I responded to your post. I firmly believe that before I used the spice, I had every doubt that I was more than a decaying bag of juice and meat. After what I witnessed the first time I went over, I started to believe that I had a spirit. After reading Tao Te Ching, the Tibettan Book of the Dead, Ashtanga Practice and Teachings, What the Bleep (Interviews), and various Deepak Chopra Titles, I am now firmly convinced that I have a spirit. I won't go into a detailed breakdown proof of why, but I believe I could prove it even logically now (especially to myself). By the sum of this, I now can't be depressed or have any anxiety that isn't generated by being attacked by someone (going on a year now - pure bliss). To understand and truly believe that the universe is one giant super intelligent force, designing us for experience and generating new spirits through the crucible of earthly bodies, makes my anxiety impossible. You have all the time in the universe, if you believe you are infinite. There can't really be anxiety or depression, only boredom, if you've gleaned certain things. Entheogens have been super chargers for my meditation practice.

So I would say certainly they should give psychedelics to people with emotional and psychological problems. Some psychologists even do give them to patients. I met a girl in college, who had serious problems resulting from an abusive mother. She was given a dose of mushrooms by her doctor (not a conventional doctor of course), and sort of forced to relive the pain and thus allowed to reprogram her response and resulting disposition. Per her, it worked and made all the difference in the world. That said, I believe it can go the other way, and LSD, Mushrooms, Peyote and DMT are all vastly different. I think long lasting stuff (i.e. LSD, Mushrooms and Peyote can really mess someone up if they are not in a good place emotionally. DMT, however, I think is safe and healing no matter what, because it quite frankly rips all of that away and takes you to your core self. Plus it only lasts 10 minutes. Another example I can think of is a girl who I saw use DMT, saying that she was forced to traverse all the weaknesses she had performed in her life, all at once. She emerged from this by saying she would never apologize again, and now possesses confidence and a cheerfulness that was not there before.

To sum it up, I'm almost convinced that DMT (not so much the slower movers like LSD and Mushrooms), is a great psychological curing device. My theory on this, is that it takes you back to spirit for a moment, almost like a child again. All of the constructs that support your ego are suspended just long enough to get a good look at them. This can help people understand, or even break down. But in my experience a breakdown is sometimes all someone needs to move on to a more healthy and carefree lifestyle, which I think is what we are all after, and then some. I think these "drugs", the entheogens, are gifts through which we get to access varying degrees and flavors of universal wisdom.

It might be worth checking out the pharmacratic inquisition:

[YOUTUBE]

EXCELLENT input my friend. I do believe that etheogens are incredible self-insight and self healing tools and that is actually the only reasons why I use them. The power to bring is right to the core is so humbling and so very insightful. Will definitely check out the video!

 

[tele]

I've yet to try this with anything but shrooms but I had an absolute blast on 2g of shrooms at a friend's party knowing about 1/3 of the people there, ZERO anxiety, tons of energy and we chatted through the comedown.
I did a "control" to compare recently with 2g of shrooms alone and it was about less than 25% as enjoyable and I didn't "get anything out of it"

Shrooms have definately anti anxiety effect on some people/occasions, especially well documented is their beneficial effect on OCD anxiety. Most likely due to their "re-wiring" of the brain.

 

[Global]

I've yet to try this with anything but shrooms but I had an absolute blast on 2g of shrooms at a friend's party knowing about 1/3 of the people there, ZERO anxiety, tons of energy and we chatted through the comedown.
I did a "control" to compare recently with 2g of shrooms alone and it was about less than 25% as enjoyable and I didn't "get anything out of it"

Shrooms have definately anti anxiety effect on some people/occasions, especially well documented is their beneficial effect on OCD anxiety. Most likely due to their "re-wiring" of the brain.

For some reason, shrooms are like anxiety generators for me. I don't know why but even with all my psychedelic experience, I always find them to be a rough ride. Oddly enough, ayahuasca which for all I can tell is visually so much like shrooms is exceptionally easy to handle and doesn't provide a lot of anxiety of any kind.

 

[Tek]

It's totally a 50/50 shot for me with shrooms. Sometimes when I take them, I seamlessly fade away into the visions it provides and then other times it's like I'm getting forcefully ripped out of my body. I've never blamed this on the shrooms though, only on my own psyche and inability to let go sometimes.

 

[Sky Motion]

For some reason, shrooms are like anxiety generators for me. I don't know why but even with all my psychedelic experience, I always find them to be a rough ride. Oddly enough, ayahuasca which for all I can tell is visually so much like shrooms is exceptionally easy to handle and doesn't provide a lot of anxiety of any kind.

This I am glad to hear, I have never partaken in ayahausca yet because I thought the duration and intensity would be too much for me to handle and I would drive myself crazy. Very encouraging

 

[tele]

For some reason, shrooms are like anxiety generators for me. I don't know why but even with all my psychedelic experience, I always find them to be a rough ride. Oddly enough, ayahuasca which for all I can tell is visually so much like shrooms is exceptionally easy to handle and doesn't provide a lot of anxiety of any kind.

For me the shrooms generate anxiety only when they're kicking in, making somewhat unpleasant feelings in the body and maybe some anxious thoughts. This is just probably the body's reaction to the "poison"

 

[deadlight]

bare in mind guys, that diffrent trpes of shrooms can be worrrlds appart. i used t much hawwaiins like there was no tomoro, and loved every second, but here in england the locals munch liberty caps, wich give me such a body load i freak out on less than a gram!

 

[Global]

For some reason, shrooms are like anxiety generators for me. I don't know why but even with all my psychedelic experience, I always find them to be a rough ride. Oddly enough, ayahuasca which for all I can tell is visually so much like shrooms is exceptionally easy to handle and doesn't provide a lot of anxiety of any kind.

For me the shrooms generate anxiety only when they're kicking in, making somewhat unpleasant feelings in the body and maybe some anxious thoughts. This is just probably the body's reaction to the "poison"

On two of my shroom experiences, the anxiety and panic has come toward the end of the experience and on the third it came at the beginning and after two hours or so, I puked and the rest was a breeze. The stomach feelings really kill the trip for me and I think this stomach weirdness affects me in a multitude of negative ways

 

[tele]

On two of my shroom experiences, the anxiety and panic has come toward the end of the experience and on the third it came at the beginning and after two hours or so, I puked and the rest was a breeze. The stomach feelings really kill the trip for me and I think this stomach weirdness affects me in a multitude of negative ways

Yeah, I've heard making shroom tea eases the nausea. However, not everyone has nausea from them. I haven't had it, except maybe some mild "stomach swirling" for couple moments. It could also have something to do with the food one has eaten prior to the shrooms.

 

[tony]

None of this applies to weed for me though, that shit fucks me up and makes me feel like I'm dying and gives me toxic thought loops everytime.

that goes for me as well. weed messes my mind up completely. doesn't even have to be much weed, just enough to get me stoned and i am reduced to a paranoid mess of introverted self criticism. my mind just starts going over events of the past and over analyzes the crap out of them. i very rarely smoke weed at all now, from the ages of about 13-17 i smoked it very regularly and i think in retrospect it was only for the first year or two that i actually enjoyed it. after that it was just habitual and unpleasant. now the only time i will smoke weed is if i am sitting alone and the idea of short term psychosis seems more appealing than boredom, lol

as for other drugs and general anxiety from day to day it's kinda hit and miss. mostly it seems to be that i am far more likely to suffer from anxiety if i take drugs without combining them with alcohol. especially ecstasy. if i have been drinking and take ecstasy i have a great time but if i take it sober i generally get very anxious and self conscious. mephedrone on the other hand seems to not create anxiety for me even if i take it sober.

i have yet to try dmt (hopefully that will have changed within a week or so) and am eager to see how i react to it. i get the impression from reading reports of it that it is something that will agree with me but i guess only time and experience will tell. i recently done an ounce of fly agric resulting in a very similar experience as the last time i done them, which mainly consisted of persistent all consuming thought loops coupled with a complete lack of awareness of my body and surroundings followed by an interesting type of blindness where if i remained perfectly still i could see in front of me but as soon as i tried to move at all i would lose my vision and also control of my body. fell over a couple of times. this experience involved no anxiety though. some vomiting and ridiculous amounts of sweating but no anxiety 8)

 

[Sky Motion]

On two of my shroom experiences, the anxiety and panic has come toward the end of the experience and on the third it came at the beginning and after two hours or so, I puked and the rest was a breeze. The stomach feelings really kill the trip for me and I think this stomach weirdness affects me in a multitude of negative ways

Yeah, I've heard making shroom tea eases the nausea. However, not everyone has nausea from them. I haven't had it, except maybe some mild "stomach swirling" for couple moments. It could also have something to do with the food one has eaten prior to the shrooms.

I think it has A LOT to do with prior eaten food. Last weekend I took shrooms after a medium sized meal and actually found the come up to be quite nauseating. Becoming nauseous while tripping unfortunately, puts my in a very uncomfortable place where I feel like I'm losing my mind so I always change the scenery or take a walk to subside these thoughts.

 

[tele]

Yeah, I've heard making shroom tea eases the nausea. However, not everyone has nausea from them. I haven't had it, except maybe some mild "stomach swirling" for couple moments. It could also have something to do with the food one has eaten prior to the shrooms.

I think it has A LOT to do with prior eaten food. Last weekend I took shrooms after a medium sized meal and actually found the come up to be quite nauseating. Becoming nauseous while tripping unfortunately, puts my in a very uncomfortable place where I feel like I'm losing my mind so I always change the scenery or take a walk to subside these thoughts.
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I've found it's best to take them on empty stomach(As is recommended everywhere almost). Something like a porridge in the morning and no food after that, when the trip is during the day/evening.

 

[Sky Motion]

I've found it's best to take them on empty stomach(As is recommended everywhere almost). Something like a porridge in the morning and no food after that, when the trip is during the day/evening.

Will definitely be doing this next weekend. I'm thinking a nice bowl of oatmeal in the morning and around 2-3pm eat those golden caps.

 

[tele]

I've found it's best to take them on empty stomach(As is recommended everywhere almost). Something like a porridge in the morning and no food after that, when the trip is during the day/evening.

Will definitely be doing this next weekend. I'm thinking a nice bowl of oatmeal in the morning and around 2-3pm eat those golden caps.

Works well for me.

And make sure you have water nearby while tripping and coming up. I have heard that mushrooms take alot of water from your system to get processed and if not drinking water, you can get dehydrated and that can cause unpleasant feelings.

 

[christian]

I think it's good practice to exercise, and have a warm bath to relax the body and mind, and dose right in a comfortable quiet pleasant room if tripping indoors. This should make all the difference in lessening anxiety.

 

[Global]

I tried going into it on an empty stomach and it just made the shrooms sit all the more gnarly in my stomach.

 

[Infectedstyle]

I have quite some (repressed) problems with anxiety in daily life. When i smoke a joint, i get paranoid i start thinking in duality. Get really anxious about everything, and have trouble breathing. So i quit smoking so much. Especially not with other people, it's not fun to be around me when i get anxious.

With mushrooms. Oh so anxious! It wasn't evident at first.. In my first two trips i actually lost any sense of anxiety and i let myself go completely, laughing and screaming and stuff. But later i've been getting very anxious. About everything. I start thinking,'oh am i supposed to sit on the chouch like this. I need to move around and sit over there. Nop, doesn't feel good. Get back there. Close ur eyes. Oh my god these visuals are so weird i dont understand them, better open my eyes. Oh shit! the walls are breathing. Damnit, what do i do now.. That sort of stuff.

What really helps during those moments is to find distraction. Two dogs (doesn't help that they bark randomly..) in my house can be great for that. Just walking the dogs can be of great relief. Don't get me wrong. In the mechanic ultra-fast mindstate that shrooms tend to put me in it's still no joke how much turmoil i feel in my head and body. But walking around, breathing fresh air does pass the time. And the feeling of getting back inside and just chilling in the garden watching a million eyes in the trees is priceless. Peace can be found. And once the peace has set in, it doesn't leave. Those anxious trips i've had have been one of the most rewarding in terms of therapeutic development. Hopefully someday, it will be permanent and i won't get anxious anymore. But right now, i think three times before i decide to take shrooms because i know the anxiety is gonna come right back.

Also, water is neccesary on shrooms ime. But don't drink water that is too distilled! I used to drink that, and i'd drink gallons of water when on shrooms and the thirst just didn't go away! (I read somewhere that distilled water kills white bloodcells, most likely white bloodcells are what you need to stabalize the shrooms) It's also really annoying to grab for water every 5 minutes when ur trying to relax ur anxiety.. What helped here was going outside and taking in those tasty h2o molecules. It's not enough to still the thirst but it was enough to keep me a little hydrated.

Another one of my experiences. Last one. Low doses just leave room for me to contemplate stuff and when i'm deep in thought i am just too busy to be anxious. And on high doses things can get so insane i don't even notice my anxiety , it's still there but i'm too busy trying to figure out if i'm alive or dead to notice it.

 

[Sky Motion]

With mushrooms. Oh so anxious! It wasn't evident at first.. In my first two trips i actually lost any sense of anxiety and i let myself go completely, laughing and screaming and stuff. But later i've been getting very anxious. About everything. I start thinking,'oh am i supposed to sit on the chouch like this. I need to move around and sit over there. Nop, doesn't feel good. Get back there. Close ur eyes. Oh my god these visuals are so weird i dont understand them, better open my eyes. Oh shit! the walls are breathing. Damnit, what do i do now.. That sort of stuff.

This happens to me quite often, its like I dont know what to do when it's happening and god is it annoying I just want to be able to sit back and enjoy whats happening before me but I get all anstsy and stuff :/ This doesn't happen on every mushroom trip but it still can occur and I feel like it's really random when it does.