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Anyone know how to make Harmaline/Harmine Fumarate?

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plumsmooth

plumsmooth

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IF you start with the Freebase and add Fumaric Acid in (hot) Water -- then dry; I guess that is about the simplest way I can think of.
But you end up with lots of Fumaric Acid don't you.
Sorry if this seems very novice thinking but that is what I am.

And I am confused wondering how one could go about turning Freebase Rue Harmalas into Harmala Fumarate.
Thanks wise people...

P.S. Would like to keep this non-toxic!
 
You could just use fumaric acid and water, but dose up your product by proportion. IE: if you have 1g of freebase, after salting it weighs 1.4g. the extra weight is due to salting and excess acid to a small extent. You just weigh out 1.4x the dose of fb you would normally take to preserve titration. Purifying is only necessary for aesthetic purposes or for crystal porn, personal preference, etc. IMHO

Excess fumaric acid has no real detriment other than tasting sour when dissolved, and throwing off weight. But i find it useful as it helps make my tap water (slightly basic ~ 8 PH) more readily dissolve the salted alkaloids.

Other than that, if you have acess to clean dry acetone, and consider that foodsafe, i have seen teks on the web where a dmt freebase/fumarate conversion is done with harmala fb. IE- dissolve fb in acetone, take another container, add acetone and fumaric acid, pour small amounts of fasa (fumaric acid saturatd acetone) into your harmala acetone solution and it should cloud as fumarates precipitate. The beauty of this is that excess fumaric acid will stay dissolved in the acetone. And the fumarate salts are completely insoluble in acetone from what i've read. this holds true for other alkaloids so i would trust it.
 
One could dissolve fb in acetone (anhydrous),
slowly add FASA to that (anhydrous, also) until colour stops changing,
wait a few hours, possibly overnight, for solution to completely settle
carefully decant clear acetone (possibly through a filter to catch any loose fumarates).

Allow whats left in jar/filter to completely dry, scrape off or dissolve in minimal water to collect.


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If you happen to do this method just remember any water left in your acetone/FASA will dissolve your fumarates, and loss of yield will result.




edit: you could probably swap all of the acetone for 99%IPA (and, FASI)
 
So if this would work with IPA.

Then:
Dissolve FB harmalas in IPA.
Prepare FASIpa.
Slowy add FASI to dissovled FB harmalas until Clouding terminates.
Decant and dry...

Harmala Fumarate
 
In theory it should work but the problem I see is that you'll need a LOT of IPA to dissolve your FB harmalas in the first place, it sucks as harmala solvent.. But try it out, worse comes to worse, evap it all to retrieve your alkaloids again.

Though one thing that might be relevant is the potential formation of harmala red. Nobody really knows what it is, it might be harmine/maline oxides, which could or not be active. Once I tried dissolving some harmalas in IPA and evapping to purpousely create harmala red and it took a few redissolutions and evaps to do anything significant, at first the harmalas were getting a bit pinker.. So maybe just once doing what you said, it wouldnt be any problem.

Let us know if you try :)
 
Interesting, I have had Harmala red from both easily and not so quickly.
I read somewhere that Vitamin C added would prevent Harmala Red formation.
I tried and forgot what the results were.:oops:
Back one week when I was obcessing about Harmala Red.
 
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