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Anyone tried 5-MeO DMT, how was it different from 'regular' DMT?
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Anyone tried 5-MeO DMT?
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5th Dimensional
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I talked to Dr. Steve Barker, I visited him in his office a few times, he has been studying DMT for 30 years..he told me that 5-MeO DMT was literally 10 times stronger than DMT...
I have found it to be extremely different from NN both in dosage and effects. The mindstate is difficult to describe. My best effort is:
Excessively fast onset - 10-30 seconds.
Lower doses (2-6 mgs smoked) - Crushing body load quickly yielding a sense of body-orgasm. No CEV's, slight fractal visual distortions with open eyes. Peak effects 5-25 mins. Total time to full baseline 1.5-2.0 hours
Medium doses (7-15 mgs smoked) - Crushing body load yielding gasping and gagging nausea with any resistance and a sort of release into the 5-meo state with surrender - beyond body-orgasm into gasping soul orgasm. CEV's show a sort of yellow or white field. Eyes want to open and close. Open eye visuals are best with living, loved ones. Fractalized in space and time. Peak effects 20-40 mins. Total time to full baseline 1.5-2.0 hours.
Higher doses (16-22 mgs smoked) - Body load that hits like a wall of drowning whiteness. Overwhelming. No time to resist or submit or feel nauseaus or groan or . . . Blackout for peak memories. Weird verbal outbursts or babbling. Extended peak effects, 20 mins to over an hour. Total time to baseline 2 hours to . . . . extended feeling of not being fully back or integrated that can last days, weeks or months.
Excessively fast onset - 10-30 seconds.
Lower doses (2-6 mgs smoked) - Crushing body load quickly yielding a sense of body-orgasm. No CEV's, slight fractal visual distortions with open eyes. Peak effects 5-25 mins. Total time to full baseline 1.5-2.0 hours
Medium doses (7-15 mgs smoked) - Crushing body load yielding gasping and gagging nausea with any resistance and a sort of release into the 5-meo state with surrender - beyond body-orgasm into gasping soul orgasm. CEV's show a sort of yellow or white field. Eyes want to open and close. Open eye visuals are best with living, loved ones. Fractalized in space and time. Peak effects 20-40 mins. Total time to full baseline 1.5-2.0 hours.
Higher doses (16-22 mgs smoked) - Body load that hits like a wall of drowning whiteness. Overwhelming. No time to resist or submit or feel nauseaus or groan or . . . Blackout for peak memories. Weird verbal outbursts or babbling. Extended peak effects, 20 mins to over an hour. Total time to baseline 2 hours to . . . . extended feeling of not being fully back or integrated that can last days, weeks or months.
The only time I tried something from someone I didnt know well, I believe my experiences were more along the lines of 5-meo due to the low dosage, <5mgs, immediatly penetrated by the most aggresive and quick buzz ive ever felt, followed by shooting through dark void minimal colors, very strong egodeath aspect, not that visual, still dont know what it was, but I suspect it could have been 5-meo as it was legal in US until jan 19, 2011. and i tried this before that date
yup, back when it could be bought as an RC, we got a gram of it and proceeded to smoke half of that over the course of a few years.
We never measured it, but we'd know if it was too much as we'd throw up.
it's intense, there is little you can do about it.
I remember once burning some and running off towards the forest, I became a plant. My wife noted that I disappeared into a large green fractal. She looked up into the sky and saw a large frog using it's tongue to devour all the stars until she was in the total blackness of the void. I also remember some blue aliens from a blue planet that were healers and came to talk to me but I forget what they said.
rw
We never measured it, but we'd know if it was too much as we'd throw up.
it's intense, there is little you can do about it.
I remember once burning some and running off towards the forest, I became a plant. My wife noted that I disappeared into a large green fractal. She looked up into the sky and saw a large frog using it's tongue to devour all the stars until she was in the total blackness of the void. I also remember some blue aliens from a blue planet that were healers and came to talk to me but I forget what they said.
rw
"Peak effects 20-40 mins. Total time to full baseline 1.5-2.0 hours."
It peaks for 20-40 minutes? Wow, I always thought 5meoDMT was shorter than DMT for some reason.
Ive been on a quest for this stuff for some time now..stil lnever come across it. Maybe someday we will find a source for virola that is not pre-scraped by the natives before it gets to us. There are always toads, but I will not be growing toads just for some 5meo..a very clean 5meoDMT profile grass would be nice..
It peaks for 20-40 minutes? Wow, I always thought 5meoDMT was shorter than DMT for some reason.
Ive been on a quest for this stuff for some time now..stil lnever come across it. Maybe someday we will find a source for virola that is not pre-scraped by the natives before it gets to us. There are always toads, but I will not be growing toads just for some 5meo..a very clean 5meoDMT profile grass would be nice..
yeah, it's a shame ya can't buy it in pure powder anymore. It was sure handy to have.
jamie, those numbers are bs. I'd say by the time you are done smoking you get that "raised up and spinning into nothing" feeling. It maybe lasts 5-10 minutes tops where you are out of your body. 30 minutes later you are kinda high, but it's hard to tell if you are high or if you are just weird from the experience. I'd say that 45minutes after using it I'd feel comfortable driving a car or other things of that nature.
Even after smoking the pure stuff (just a knife tip'll do!) 40times you still are met with the "holy shit, wtf just happened" kinda mindset afterwards.
That was kind of what I liked about it. Instant jolt into a psychedelic mindset with no real pre-flight jitters.... eating a substance and waiting and wondering is often scary. You never really had the chance with this, and I never feared it because I knew at worst, I'd probably throw up, fall on the ground and roll around moaning for 5 minutes and it'd be over.
jamie, those numbers are bs. I'd say by the time you are done smoking you get that "raised up and spinning into nothing" feeling. It maybe lasts 5-10 minutes tops where you are out of your body. 30 minutes later you are kinda high, but it's hard to tell if you are high or if you are just weird from the experience. I'd say that 45minutes after using it I'd feel comfortable driving a car or other things of that nature.
Even after smoking the pure stuff (just a knife tip'll do!) 40times you still are met with the "holy shit, wtf just happened" kinda mindset afterwards.
That was kind of what I liked about it. Instant jolt into a psychedelic mindset with no real pre-flight jitters.... eating a substance and waiting and wondering is often scary. You never really had the chance with this, and I never feared it because I knew at worst, I'd probably throw up, fall on the ground and roll around moaning for 5 minutes and it'd be over.
5th Dimensional
Rising Star
Dr. Barker says there are more concentrations of 5 MeO than DMT found in the retinas and bloodstream, odd.
5th Dimensional
Rising Star
So you could just order a bottle over the internet say??
5th Dimensional said:
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read the posts above you. Its now illegal.
5th Dimensional
Rising Star
I meant in the past
AluminumFoilRobots
gufyg
I believe Bufo Alvarius is an endangered species, and therefore cannot be obtained via usual exotic pet means. I found someone selling them for about 150 $US for one and 248$ for a male/female pair. I guess that would be the way to go, but the price is obviously prohibitive. I have however heard that the Toad Venom is more euphoric and positive then synthetic, pure 5-MeO-DMT.
But, I've never had the stuff, except perhaps via chaliponga - but then any 5-MeO-DMT content in that plant is always highly disputed and I don't really go to strong either way about it.
But, I've never had the stuff, except perhaps via chaliponga - but then any 5-MeO-DMT content in that plant is always highly disputed and I don't really go to strong either way about it.
im not into keeping animals that live in big rivers to move around in in tiny little boxes in my home just so I can smoke some venom from them. Having plants is one thing, and even then I feel bad if I dont give them proper root space etc..keeping an animal like a frog in a tiny box is another.
In 97-98 (I can't remember when). 2 franklins got ya a gram from JLF before their downfall.5th Dimensional said:
If I may say, a gram of that lasts a very long time.
It would be nice to find a plant that produces pure 5 tho, it would make a fine addition to a garden.
jamie said:
^ this
moyshekapoyre
Rising Star
Chaliponga instead of mimosa/chacruna in your aya brew...
..there was a fair amount of underground folklore about 5meoDMT in the 90s..
..as Pandora said, very physical, very fast..some don't like it, others say things like "Why go halfway with DMT when you can go all the way with 5meo?" ..it terrifies most people above 20-25mg..
..above 20mg (1st time) for me was (& a few have described it just like this): "Fuck! You just killed yourself!" this was before even exhaling..then that 'brighter than a thousand suns' type of light..semi-amnesia (i.e 'am i human?' ) afterwards..
fans call it "The trip to the light." ..some who don't like it find it very uncomfortable..
it is not colorfully circus-like and visual like DMT..one person said: "It's not that there aren't visuals, it's just that your head is in such a deep place the visuals seem trivial."
..it is probably only ever going to appeal to the edge of explorer-entheogen culture..it is not recommended with MAOIs (due to a few extreme reactions lasting up to 2 weeks)
re sources: about 8 years ago some '5meo' turned up in the southern hemisphere which had been extracted from European sourced Phalaris 'Turkey Red' strain..it was believed to be about 90% 5meoDMT..it freaked most 'DMT-heads' out..seems only the most fearless or spiritual get something from it..
..a few people in the mid 90s said the combination of 5meo with DMT was 'the Power'(5meo) & 'the Glory'(DMT)
and yes, it's in the blood, urine and possibly pineal..
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..as Pandora said, very physical, very fast..some don't like it, others say things like "Why go halfway with DMT when you can go all the way with 5meo?" ..it terrifies most people above 20-25mg..
..above 20mg (1st time) for me was (& a few have described it just like this): "Fuck! You just killed yourself!" this was before even exhaling..then that 'brighter than a thousand suns' type of light..semi-amnesia (i.e 'am i human?' ) afterwards..
fans call it "The trip to the light." ..some who don't like it find it very uncomfortable..
it is not colorfully circus-like and visual like DMT..one person said: "It's not that there aren't visuals, it's just that your head is in such a deep place the visuals seem trivial."
..it is probably only ever going to appeal to the edge of explorer-entheogen culture..it is not recommended with MAOIs (due to a few extreme reactions lasting up to 2 weeks)
re sources: about 8 years ago some '5meo' turned up in the southern hemisphere which had been extracted from European sourced Phalaris 'Turkey Red' strain..it was believed to be about 90% 5meoDMT..it freaked most 'DMT-heads' out..seems only the most fearless or spiritual get something from it..
..a few people in the mid 90s said the combination of 5meo with DMT was 'the Power'(5meo) & 'the Glory'(DMT)
and yes, it's in the blood, urine and possibly pineal..
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