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Arundo donax + Peganum harmala ayahuasca and bad result

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spiritalha

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Hi,

I have been wanting to have a dmt experience for a long time and I am lacking in dmt sources. i can only use arundo donax as a dmt source near me, but it is not a very powerful source. i wanted to try my luck anyway. i am in turkey and in my geography, peganum harmala (syrian rue), which is a monoamine oxidase inhibitor, is very dense and I can buy it immediately even in some herbal shops, and at very cheap prices.

there is a lot of arundo donax around me, I collected arundo donax 3 kilometers away from my house and when I got home I added arundo donax and MAOI half the amount of arundo d. and started to boil it. after half an hour of boiling, the yellow/orange mixture in ayahuasca took on a color and after waiting for a while I felt ready to drink it (honestly I never thought there would be a result)

i drank it, and half an hour to an hour after i drank it i had a strange sensation between my two eyebrows, and other than that there was no effect. after a while i found out that dmt is very little in the stem of arundo donax, its main source is in the root stem. unfortunately it failed for me. If can anyone help me to find dmt source, you can type.​
 
IIRC, even the rhizomes have been found to be pretty low in DMT.
I used to have Arundo donax in my yard (planted by me) to the point where it became invasive and I eliminated it. Makes great pipe stems, garden stakes, etc..
Never tried consuming it. I think that one was said to be not of use years ago.
 
brokedownpalace10 said:
IIRC, even the rhizomes have been found to be pretty low in DMT.
I used to have Arundo donax in my yard (planted by me) to the point where it became invasive and I eliminated it. Makes great pipe stems, garden stakes, etc..
Never tried consuming it. I think that one was said to be not of use years ago.
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I think it does not work both because I do not take the root stem and because I boil it less. since this plant is abundant in my country, spiritualists here try this method. some say it works.
 
I tried Arundo donax with rue today; it's my third ever trial (first and second were leaves and stems, three years ago). My leaf trial had appeared too high in gramine and unworkable.

Today's stem experience provided ample closed eye visuals but no synergy with rue, no Ayahuasca analogue experience. The feeling of gramine is also high even if less than leaves. I recognize it as a heat sensation in my head and tremors in my hands. The tremors were minimal and subsided quickly. My conclusion is that it has DMT but it has too much gramine. Extractions may work.
 
brokedownpalace10 said:
IIRC, even the rhizomes have been found to be pretty low in DMT.
I used to have Arundo donax in my yard (planted by me) to the point where it became invasive and I eliminated it. Makes great pipe stems, garden stakes, etc..
Never tried consuming it. I think that one was said to be not of use years ago.
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Jim deKorne also reported a problematic attempt with glant reed, resulting in a days-long allergic reaction and little in the way of psychoactive effects, iirc.
 
Thanks for replies guys 🙏

I doubt it would act as a carcinogen, it has traditional use against cancer. Most compounds seem to have very different effects between low dose occasional exposure and high dose frequent exposure.

İn the beginning I was scared because the very early effects reminded me of my near fatal Phalaris experiences. The weakness and hand tremors passed very quick. The elevated blood pressure also quickly stabilized at an acceptable level. Apparently gramine is also known to elevate blood pressure.

The visuals could have been tryptamines other than DMT, in hindsight. Arundo donax is known to produce quite a variety of alkaloids, including tryptamines...

I may have not got an "Ayahuasca" journey, but I feel neurologically "fixed" in the afterglow. Gramine is in fact a neuroprotective agent, according to recent studies, despite it's years long reputation as a neurotoxin. İt's almost surely dependent on the dose.
 
Very interesting, thank you for sharing your experience. I'm glad it went well in the end.

Yes, about asarone I don't mean to say that it will make Arundo donax itself carcinogenic. It's just for people to be aware and cautious. Depending on how it's extracted and what doses are taken, it could be a concern.

Asarone is present in the sassafras tree, which gives name to saffrole, a precursor for MDMA and if I remember correctly, itself psychoactive. Root beer in the US used to be made from sassafras tree, and it got banned for containing asarone. It was controversial precisely because it wasn't that clear that it was dangerous at the doses found in root beer. So asarone content is not necessarily an issue, but it's good to be aware of the potential risk.
 
Sorry, I made a mistake in my previous comment. The original root beer was banned for its saffrole content, not asarone.

Asarone is known to be carcinogenic but it's considered safe at low doses and used as a flavoring agent. Still something to take into account but not a major concern.
 
blig-blug said:
Very interesting, thank you for sharing your experience. I'm glad it went well in the end.

Yes, about asarone I don't mean to say that it will make Arundo donax itself carcinogenic. It's just for people to be aware and cautious. Depending on how it's extracted and what doses are taken, it could be a concern.

Asarone is present in the sassafras tree, which gives name to saffrole, a precursor for MDMA and if I remember correctly, itself psychoactive. Root beer in the US used to be made from sassafras tree, and it got banned for containing asarone. It was controversial precisely because it wasn't that clear that it was dangerous at the doses found in root beer. So asarone content is not necessarily an issue, but it's good to be aware of the potential risk.
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blig-blug said:
Sorry, I made a mistake in my previous comment. The original root beer was banned for its saffrole content, not asarone.

Asarone is known to be carcinogenic but it's considered safe at low doses and used as a flavoring agent. Still something to take into account but not a major concern.
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Asarone does present chemical properties analogous with safrole or isosafrole (for γ-asarone and α-asarone, respectively), being an oxygenated phenylpropene derivative and thus the "essential amphetamine" precursor for TMA-2.

Calamus plants often contain a moderate amount of asarone, although this will vary between regional chemotypes.
 
It appears gramine is the dominant alkaloid of this species, being initially named "donaxine" from donax. Even if substantially DMT containing plants are found, drinking a brew may not be desirable because of this. And there are not even any anecdotal reports of any success with this species. I love playing the flute made from it.

The ambiguous tryptamine effects I got may have been from DMT blurred by gramine (gramine is a 5 ht2a antagonist), and/or from other tryptamines. The problem with too much gramine is that it likely interferes with DMT.
 
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