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a1pha said:
I've tried both
but I'm looking for a way to do it without, this is starting to become my current goal, I've begun learning to meditate and lucid dream, I would like to be able to achieve these goals without the benefit of anything else.
Acaterpillar
Rising Star
I never used guides, but first you need to practice intentionally falling into sleep paralysis.
You will know you are in sleep paralysis because you will have the sensation of a heavy blanket being laid upon your body (kind of like the ones they use at Dentist offices for taking X-rays) and it will be difficult to move.
From here, you can work on techniques on how your mind prefers to leave your body.
To get into sleep paralysis, simply lay on your back with a calm mind.
Remain aware of your intentions, but stay relaxed.
If you are having trouble falling into this paralysis without going straight into sleep try taking a very small amount of caffeine before hand.
It can also help to try this in the morning, immediately after waking up.
You will know you are in sleep paralysis because you will have the sensation of a heavy blanket being laid upon your body (kind of like the ones they use at Dentist offices for taking X-rays) and it will be difficult to move.
From here, you can work on techniques on how your mind prefers to leave your body.
To get into sleep paralysis, simply lay on your back with a calm mind.
Remain aware of your intentions, but stay relaxed.
If you are having trouble falling into this paralysis without going straight into sleep try taking a very small amount of caffeine before hand.
It can also help to try this in the morning, immediately after waking up.
Mystic0 said:a1pha said:
I've tried both
with all due respect i have to ask why?
I'm not saying don't try and do it without, just this: someone exploring many avenues of experience and/or combining a number of approaches together going to get further than someone just clinging to one particular approach.
but anyways, look into sleep paralysis if you haven't
What goals, then? Isn't astral projection essentially lucid dreaming mixed with meditation? It's not like you're actually traveling somewhere.... but rather, focusing the mind.Mystic0 said:I've tried both
have you done it? its not like lucid dreaming at all ime..unless i leave my body while in a lucid dream, then it has obvious similarities
Could you expand on this? Of course they are not equivalent but the language to describe these things lacks so I defaulted to what was mentioned. I'd be interested to hear a compare and contrast, UC.universecannon said:
Through my own reading and through what many people have spoken about on the nexus in different ways or forms I'm beginning to believe that any of these states are possible without the influence of drugs.
Whether it be viewed as a drug or not, I'm not sure I view DMT as a drug in anyway at all, it simply found me and showed me what I needed to be shown at that time, one of the first thing's I said coming out of my first trip was 'I DON'T NEED DRUGS AT ALL!'. Not that I don't "want" to do them, simply that I don't "need" them to get the same results.
I think mastery of the mind is something very important whether it be in one way (through drugs) or the others, lucid dreaming i've done a few times but I'm trying to learn how to control the dreams more than simply just being aware of dreaming, astral projection on the other hand feel's different in the sense that I'm not falling asleep then being aware, I'm becoming aware before the point when my physical body falls asleep.
I think both lucid and astral projection along with meditation are all controls for DMT experience, it's just something I'm very interested in, or perhaps I don't know enough to comment yet
this is just how I feel and what I'd like to achieve.
It's merely personal choice
Whether it be viewed as a drug or not, I'm not sure I view DMT as a drug in anyway at all, it simply found me and showed me what I needed to be shown at that time, one of the first thing's I said coming out of my first trip was 'I DON'T NEED DRUGS AT ALL!'. Not that I don't "want" to do them, simply that I don't "need" them to get the same results.
I think mastery of the mind is something very important whether it be in one way (through drugs) or the others, lucid dreaming i've done a few times but I'm trying to learn how to control the dreams more than simply just being aware of dreaming, astral projection on the other hand feel's different in the sense that I'm not falling asleep then being aware, I'm becoming aware before the point when my physical body falls asleep.
I think both lucid and astral projection along with meditation are all controls for DMT experience, it's just something I'm very interested in, or perhaps I don't know enough to comment yet
this is just how I feel and what I'd like to achieve.It's merely personal choice
Acaterpillar said:
Thank you
very useful piece of information, going to begin researching this now. I think this is what someone else mentioned and a lot of other thing's I've read have spoken about in similar ways. Perhaps it's the trance like state or "dream state" you become aware of before being able to move from one place to another.. reading must be done!
a1pha said:
Oh completely! That's kind of my entire point, your whole body is a chemical factory, I merely think that any of these chemicals can be "activated" through their frequency.
I'm reading a particular book at the minute called "The philosophers Stone" by Peter Marshall, "A quest for the secrets of alchemy" it involves Toaism, Jainism, Buddhism and many other religions and teachings speaking about achieving the same states without externally taking anything into the body.
e.g. an "internal pill" and an "external pill"
I'm beginning to wonder if mastery of self is required before taking something like DMT or even Psilocybin to achieve greater effect or the ability to traverse this space.
All I mean is, meditation for example is something a lot of travellers practice to gain greater control of their own mind or even protection from bad entities in these spaces.
Acaterpillar
Rising Star
There is only so much reading that you can do.
This is something that must be learned through personal experience.
I'd stop searching and begin practicing.
It's going to take time to develop, better get started now.
This is something that must be learned through personal experience.
I'd stop searching and begin practicing.
It's going to take time to develop, better get started now.
I have been trying for nearly two weeks now and have felt the 'OBE' style falling or sudden bodylessness a few times but the second I become aware of it I instantly return. You're right though, I must persist and keep trying untill I achieve said desired effect or position.
The emerald tablets also speak of this kind of experience but speaks of fasting to lose some of the "physical anchor" to this plane, I think I may try some fasting to see if it at all improves the experience or at least makes it easier.
Thank you for the advice though and also a valid argument too! an interesting one tonight.
Peace out and much love
The emerald tablets also speak of this kind of experience but speaks of fasting to lose some of the "physical anchor" to this plane, I think I may try some fasting to see if it at all improves the experience or at least makes it easier.
Thank you for the advice though
and also a valid argument too! an interesting one tonight.Peace out and much love
WarriorSage
Rising Star
Its best to attempt this in the morning but can be done where. I find at night works best for me.
Do a quick 5 minute meditation to slow your brain down and relax yourself.
Lay down as comfy as possible and do not move once comfy. Remind your self that you ARE going to astral travel.
Concentrate on deep and slow breaths and then gradually make it natural.
Think of nothing, you need a very quiet mind so you can drift off into a trance state. I advise having a relaxed and quiet day prior to trying (thats why mornings are best) So with your silent and pure mind, look deep into the darkness of your eyes. You will feel your self drifting off into that darkness.. This is where some people fail because as this happens a thought pops up into the mind making them break their trance state. Usually people give up after 5 minutes, but do not give up.. Do it for atleast 20 minutes (if done properly)and you will see. It will become easier and natural each time.
You must let go of all connections and freely let your mind drift off towards the darkness while maintaining natural slow deep breathing.
You will begin to feel a sensation, sometimes slowly and in pulses or sometimes very rapid and intense. You will also hear a ringing noise gradually become louder and louder. Remeber to stay calm and let the paralysis do its thing. Once it is at its peak (youll know) stay calm and wait about 30seconds to a minute. At this stage you may hear voices and noises, aswell as the high pitched ringing. There are many techniques to seperate, so pick one that suits you. Or you may even be able to fluke it. Once you get the hang of this weird sensation it becomes quite natural to you.
When your break through the barrier you will hear a loud "POP" and you are free to explore.o
Astral projection is alot more easier to navigate than hyperspace. It is so incredibly different than hyperspace but very similar aswell. I much prefer traveling without the use of DMT. Sleep paralysis can also be triggered during lucid dreaming by stimulating it. This is another option for you to achieve your goals. Just dont give up like most do.
Make sure you do have the right mindset before travelling too far. You must have no fear and know how defeat it and be on top. Have a pure mind, no reaction and ofcourse be filled with love. I friend of mine spent 14 days in a coma due to astral projection.
She is very experienced but went too far for her abilities.
Tred with care my friend and dont go through too many tubes
Do a quick 5 minute meditation to slow your brain down and relax yourself.
Lay down as comfy as possible and do not move once comfy. Remind your self that you ARE going to astral travel.
Concentrate on deep and slow breaths and then gradually make it natural.
Think of nothing, you need a very quiet mind so you can drift off into a trance state. I advise having a relaxed and quiet day prior to trying (thats why mornings are best) So with your silent and pure mind, look deep into the darkness of your eyes. You will feel your self drifting off into that darkness.. This is where some people fail because as this happens a thought pops up into the mind making them break their trance state. Usually people give up after 5 minutes, but do not give up.. Do it for atleast 20 minutes (if done properly)and you will see. It will become easier and natural each time.
You must let go of all connections and freely let your mind drift off towards the darkness while maintaining natural slow deep breathing.
You will begin to feel a sensation, sometimes slowly and in pulses or sometimes very rapid and intense. You will also hear a ringing noise gradually become louder and louder. Remeber to stay calm and let the paralysis do its thing. Once it is at its peak (youll know) stay calm and wait about 30seconds to a minute. At this stage you may hear voices and noises, aswell as the high pitched ringing. There are many techniques to seperate, so pick one that suits you. Or you may even be able to fluke it. Once you get the hang of this weird sensation it becomes quite natural to you.
When your break through the barrier you will hear a loud "POP" and you are free to explore.o
Astral projection is alot more easier to navigate than hyperspace. It is so incredibly different than hyperspace but very similar aswell. I much prefer traveling without the use of DMT. Sleep paralysis can also be triggered during lucid dreaming by stimulating it. This is another option for you to achieve your goals. Just dont give up like most do.
Make sure you do have the right mindset before travelling too far. You must have no fear and know how defeat it and be on top. Have a pure mind, no reaction and ofcourse be filled with love. I friend of mine spent 14 days in a coma due to astral projection.
She is very experienced but went too far for her abilities.
Tred with care my friend and dont go through too many tubes
Have a read through those threads, too, you'll find some interesting information along the lines:
Methods of achieving mystical states & spiritual knowledge
Astral projection, a dream come true
Check out the Lucidology 101 videos as well for some helpful additional tips: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL872CCEF527B70ED7
Hope this helps. Cheers!
Methods of achieving mystical states & spiritual knowledge
Astral projection, a dream come true
Check out the Lucidology 101 videos as well for some helpful additional tips: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL872CCEF527B70ED7
Hope this helps. Cheers!
WarriorSage said:Its best to attempt this in the morning but can be done where. I find at night works best for me.
Do a quick 5 minute meditation to slow your brain down and relax yourself.
Lay down as comfy as possible and do not move once comfy. Remind your self that you ARE going to astral travel.
Concentrate on deep and slow breaths and then gradually make it natural.
Think of nothing, you need a very quiet mind so you can drift off into a trance state. I advise having a relaxed and quiet day prior to trying (thats why mornings are best) So with your silent and pure mind, look deep into the darkness of your eyes. You will feel your self drifting off into that darkness.. This is where some people fail because as this happens a thought pops up into the mind making them break their trance state. Usually people give up after 5 minutes, but do not give up.. Do it for atleast 20 minutes (if done properly)and you will see. It will become easier and natural each time.
You must let go of all connections and freely let your mind drift off towards the darkness while maintaining natural slow deep breathing.
You will begin to feel a sensation, sometimes slowly and in pulses or sometimes very rapid and intense. You will also hear a ringing noise gradually become louder and louder. Remeber to stay calm and let the paralysis do its thing. Once it is at its peak (youll know) stay calm and wait about 30seconds to a minute. At this stage you may hear voices and noises, aswell as the high pitched ringing. There are many techniques to seperate, so pick one that suits you. Or you may even be able to fluke it. Once you get the hang of this weird sensation it becomes quite natural to you.
When your break through the barrier you will hear a loud "POP" and you are free to explore.o
Astral projection is alot more easier to navigate than hyperspace. It is so incredibly different than hyperspace but very similar aswell. I much prefer traveling without the use of DMT. Sleep paralysis can also be triggered during lucid dreaming by stimulating it. This is another option for you to achieve your goals. Just dont give up like most do.
Make sure you do have the right mindset before travelling too far. You must have no fear and know how defeat it and be on top. Have a pure mind, no reaction and ofcourse be filled with love. I friend of mine spent 14 days in a coma due to astral projection.
She is very experienced but went too far for her abilities.
Tred with care my friend and dont go through too many tubes
A brilliant reply, thank you very much. I was very much unaware of the dangers of going too far, I think these exist in both the astral and the DMT space (overdose) will keep all of these in mind and start small, walk before running as some people put it.
Much love,
SmoovPnCali
Reality is a matter of perspective...
MysticO,
I don't have any experience with Astral Projection. Very Interesting subject though. I would think you would need a base to build on before achieveing this goal. Meditation would be the first logical step. Learning to quiet your mind to limit distractions. After this, a smaller step in the direction of your goal would be easier.
Have you heard of Remote Viewing? It is alot like Astral Projection, in that you are projecting your consciousness to a distant place to "see" what is there. The CIA had sponsered a project dedicated to this practice back in the 70's. They used "Remote Viewers" to spy on the Soviet Union during the Cold War. There are many "How to" books as well as classes on this subject.
Seems logical that experience with something like this would help build a solid foundation for your goal. Crawl before you walk...walk before you run...that sort of thing.
Keep us posted on your progress.
I don't have any experience with Astral Projection. Very Interesting subject though. I would think you would need a base to build on before achieveing this goal. Meditation would be the first logical step. Learning to quiet your mind to limit distractions. After this, a smaller step in the direction of your goal would be easier.
Have you heard of Remote Viewing? It is alot like Astral Projection, in that you are projecting your consciousness to a distant place to "see" what is there. The CIA had sponsered a project dedicated to this practice back in the 70's. They used "Remote Viewers" to spy on the Soviet Union during the Cold War. There are many "How to" books as well as classes on this subject.
Seems logical that experience with something like this would help build a solid foundation for your goal. Crawl before you walk...walk before you run...that sort of thing.
Keep us posted on your progress.
Jarl Von Hoother
Underwater Pyrotechnition Underdog at Large
1.) Binarual beats
- helps you slip into theta faster
- induces calming pleasure
- keeps the brain alert somewhat while 'between realms'
2.) Galantamine
- aids short term memory recall promoting 'lucid dreams'
- activates reward centers of the brain literally submersing you in your best dream states
- release dopamine
3.) Meditation
- pre-A-meditation (sitting up or laying down) gives you focused, centeredness crucial in A.P.
- brings you to theta/delta where AP occurs
- clears through mundane of thinking which blockades the AP realm.
4.) AP in nature
- dreams and AP are more memorable when sleeping in nature
5.) Journaling
- although used religiously by lucid dreamers incase you didn't AP this helps regain knowledge thereby training the waking memory, to stay awake somewhat
- recurring dreams can be solved faster and point to more clues thus helping you drema and astral projecting with less effort
6.) DMT
- Astral travel sprinting, exercises you AP muscles
- has very positive effect on brain state, and spirit as well
- possibly makes astral travel easier for most people.
:!: REMEMBER IT'S JUST A DREAM
- helps you slip into theta faster
- induces calming pleasure
- keeps the brain alert somewhat while 'between realms'
2.) Galantamine
- aids short term memory recall promoting 'lucid dreams'
- activates reward centers of the brain literally submersing you in your best dream states
- release dopamine
3.) Meditation
- pre-A-meditation (sitting up or laying down) gives you focused, centeredness crucial in A.P.
- brings you to theta/delta where AP occurs
- clears through mundane of thinking which blockades the AP realm.
4.) AP in nature
- dreams and AP are more memorable when sleeping in nature
5.) Journaling
- although used religiously by lucid dreamers incase you didn't AP this helps regain knowledge thereby training the waking memory, to stay awake somewhat
- recurring dreams can be solved faster and point to more clues thus helping you drema and astral projecting with less effort
6.) DMT
- Astral travel sprinting, exercises you AP muscles
- has very positive effect on brain state, and spirit as well
- possibly makes astral travel easier for most people.
:!: REMEMBER IT'S JUST A DREAM
