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Has anyone else been lucky enough to experience these? Fantastic blotter, and the most potent I have come across so far with my experience of LSD to date. Is reassuring to know that there is LSD of this quality and potency being produced these days. They are often quoted at being around 180mcg per tab. Powerful and very clean, having experienced these I definitely rate them as highly as any acid I have ever experienced. Has anyone else out there flown Avatar airlines??
 
Yeah, I've got some of these. In fact these are the only ones I've ever tried. To me it seemed like they were not very pure, but what do I know? All I know is that they made me feel sick both during the experience and after it was over... but perhaps all LSD does that? I was thinking maybe the L on the blotter was fine but the chem they use to bind it to the blotter or something was messing me up?

Anyway, while on the L, the aya spirits kind of communicated with me telepathically. They were telling me this wasn't the right way to find them.
 
Interesting. I remember an ayahuasca session provider in London telling me that LSD and other chemicals can scare the ayahuasca spirits away. It certainly took myself and my friend more ayahuasca than the rest to get there, and we are both experienced with LSD and continue to use it on occasion, and it was definitely a potent brew.

Interesting your experience with these tabs, I have only found them consistently to be incredibly clean and smooth, while being very powerful at the same time. I wonder if there are different batches of these floating about, or whether there is differences in body chemistry at play. I used to be highly sceptical of the 'clean acid' idea, in that if its LSD, it's LSD, and a few impurities won't really any difference to the experience, as they will be present in such miniscule quantities in a standard dose or two of LSD. But having shared experiences with a friend, I have come to a different conclusion. I remember being on a good dose with a friend at a festival, he got sick and vomitied several times, and I got really quite severe stomach cramps for a time, wasn't pleasant or a placebo effect that's for damn sure. So I think purity, as well as potency, may be important on consumption.
 
I dont think you can rely on the design on the blotter as being indicative of them all being the same strength/quality; I do recall there being Purple Oms around at the same time but unquestionably of different potencies quite a few years ago.180mcg is a fine dose indeed-glad you've enjoyed them ,Bancopuma!!:)
 
True. I have heard there may be a few different Avatar batches floating about. But I think the ones I have experienced so far are the real deal. Highly recommended to any that have a predilection for things lysergic!
 
Bancopuma said:
True. I have heard there may be a few different Avatar batches floating about. But I think the ones I have experienced so far are the real deal. Highly recommended to any that have a predilection for things lysergic!
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I will have to look out for these. They sound very nice. The last tabs I got hold of were some blue stars that are not bad, but I don't believe they would be 180mcgs (although I have no way of knowing). With summer approaching, a chilled walk in the countryside and some strong, clean acid sounds very appealing.
 
I have been really enjoying being out in nature after eating one of these. Recently I shared an experience with my sister with one of these each (her first time) at home in the countryside on a beautiful day and it was absolutely sublime, and an amazing experience for us both to share. She took to the experience like a duck to water and got a lot out of the experience, as she is also studying psychology at university. At the same time she also experienced some deep therapy. LSD I think is a great gift, where science and nature have come together and created something very special.
 
180 mic's is a nice dose if it's fresh and of good quality.
Besides there being a ceiling for the strength an LSD experience can normally have, where every dose that exceeds 600 mic's doesn't get more powerfull than 600 mic, i find there is also a sort of optimal dose. And that optimal dose would be somewhere around 200 mic's. There is a point where exceeding the it, it starts getting more fucked-up and your thoughts start running extremely fast and so on, where the experience just doesn't get much better anymore.
 
I haven't had them but I've been hearing a lot about them recently and I hope to lay my hands on some soon. I heard they originate from the EU.
 
I did hear of a friend getting some of these soon and hope to try them, Uusally i can get just liquid acid, which is 50ug per drop. an avatar would be good step up if its 180ug :)
 
I would agree Mr polytrip, after a point more is not always better at all. I will definitely say, of the 70 or so times I have experienced LSD in my life, these Avatar tabs are some of the finest LSD I have so far encountered, whether it be just down to potency, purity, or a mixture of both. And yes I think they are from the EU, I'm guessing either Holland or Switzerland. They are definitely out there though, I hope people find what they seek.
 
polytrip said:
180 mic's is a nice dose if it's fresh and of good quality.
Besides there being a ceiling for the strength an LSD experience can normally have, where every dose that exceeds 600 mic's doesn't get more powerfull than 600 mic, i find there is also a sort of optimal dose. And that optimal dose would be somewhere around 200 mic's. There is a point where exceeding the it, it starts getting more fucked-up and your thoughts start running extremely fast and so on, where the experience just doesn't get much better anymore.
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I don't have any personal experience with such high dose LSD, but wouldn't the thumbprinting/vial-chugging deadheads who argue that there is no saturation point disagree?

I know a lot of people say it's all urban myth or folklore or whatnot...but I could have sworn there were at least a few decently respected psychonauts who claim LSD saturation point is a myth. Am I mistaken?
 
I've never hit a saturation point, even one Halloween when I went around with a sheet gifting "one for you, one for me" each time someone wanted some. It was definitely the furthest I have ever gone out on LSD.
 
I disagree with this saturation at least at 600 mics. Ive taken more than that and have certainly gone further than taking 600mics. Maybe there is a saturation level but I have never reached it, I think it could be a myth that got started and reproduced by people that didnt know their quantities, had tolerance, didnt take it all at once, never got themselves to the point but just believed, took other drugs which influenced pharmacology, etc...
 
Well, at least there's an asymptote-like curve where the more you increase the dose, you lesser and lesser have an increase in strength.

There is definately a point where you hardly notice an increase in effects.

I find it hard to say where exactly that point is, because you'd have to rely on how many micrograms people SAY there is on a blotter.

I've noticed that 'word on the street' about the amount of mic's on a blotter is often wrong contradictory: some people say that a blotter has 50 mic's while others say it has 100 mic's of LSD on it.

But there seems to be a pattern: often if people say that a blotter has X-micrograms of LSD on it, the said amount is twice as much as it probably realy is.
This could be a purity issue: if most procedures of making LSD or putting it on blotters leave you with a product that is 50% pure, then i can see where the misunderstanding arises.

The threshold level of LSD, where psychedelic effects become apparent is somewhere around 60 mic's, but blotters that have a just above the threshold dose are often said to have 120 mic's.

I think the 'saturation point' where the asymptote becomes almost a flatline is somewhere in between 600 and 1000 micrograms, where the line starts flattening significantly above 600 mic's. And above 1000 you realy wouldn't notice any further dose-increase at all.

My guess is that some people would expect 600 micrograms to be 1200 mic's, and 300 mic's to be 600, etc.
 
I dunno if any Nexians have come across a book called 'Storming Heaven' by Jay Stevens but its well worth a read.Somewhere in its 400+ pages it does concur with the maximum effect being around 600mcg.

I agree with Polytrip on this-I think its commonly the case that the dosage per blotter is exaggerated.I personally think that an average tab (where you get clear visual effects but the ego is not at all threatened with oblivion, peak effects at about 2.5-3 hours) nowadays is not more than 75mcg.Doses around 175mcg is where all but the most experienced would be happier with other people around as IME this is where the mental challenge becomes marked and if the trip goes south then it could be an epic mind-fuck.

I once had a tab which I was told on very good authority was 250mcg; the size of this beast was 11mm x11mm in size (ie 121mm squared); most other tabs around that time were 6-7mm squared (ie 36-49 mm squared).A quarter of this tab was 60-75mcg (using the criteria above) and a full one of these was very heavy indeed.If this was infact 250mcg then there is no way on Gods earth I would ever contemplate taking 600mcg.
 
Stanislav Grof (in LSD Psychotherapy) said:
There seems to be a saturation point for LSD somewhere around four or five hundred micrograms; increase of the dose beyond this point does not seem to produce much additional effect. It is generally more useful to identify the specific mechanisms of resistance and try to influence them psychologically than to use heroic dosages in an effort to "break down the defenses."
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I would have to disagree with the saturation point as well.

There would be a difference if you took 600 mics, then a couple hours later took another 600mics.
There would be a difference if you took 1000 mics. The 1000 mics would be stronger IME than two doses of 600 mics not at once.
Then theres the whole... how about you drop 2000 mics at once. You think you'll only get as far as 600 mics? Or even 1000?

It all depends on how many you dose at first, and just declines as you dose up more.

For instance: If one were to dose 1000 mics, and then later dose up 2000 mics, the trip wouldn't be as powerful as if one just dosed 3000 mics at once. The trip would just last longer and bring you up to another peak. But of course, that peak wouldn't be as intense as the 1000 mic peak because your brain would be lacking pretty hard.

There is a definite "block" if you re-dose. But I don't think there is a limit if you just dose.

And let me say this: I do not think anyone needs 1mg or 2mg or 3mg of LSD. Me personally, I'm fine with 2-500 mics now. (which each blot is usually 50-80 mics in todays society, unless you just got totally lucky... I mean if 1gram=10,000doses then you can possibly get 100ug on each dose, and thats not counting the washout/thumbprint at the end. So most likely 1gram=15,000 doses or so. Oh! And that's if you have PURE LSD... which... well good luck with that one.)

Oh and I wanted to say to the topic at hand:
You cannot say a certain blotter paper is specifically better than any other one. Because anyone can order blank blotter papers, and dose their own weights onto each hit. So maybe the Avatar blot you had was needle-pointed out, but the Avatar blot that someone else gets is just dipped.
 
Definitely, repeated dosing of the same amount in one session does give diminishing returns (and leaves you with a tolerance for longer than if just one dose is taken).

For the sake of this discussion, if we say that 600mcg approx gives a peak effect then I think taking 1mg would get you there quicker and for longer (and probably give more physical effects too).

The tabs I mentioned a few posts back which were 250mcg (allegedly)-they were so strong when a full one was taken that they got a bad reputation as even the most hard-headed venturers were totally satisfied (and quite possibly a little overwhelmed) with just one of these beauties.Its the furthest Ive ever been with LSD, and this mere x mcg (whatever this quantity was in reality) was more than sufficient- but I knew that there was further to go, if I had the balls for it.
 
anyone remembers GETAFIX (blotter)
or the ICE MINTS (liquid)
these two have quite been swims favourites , swim has not tried a lot of different types he just ate a lot of these :lol:
also -star wars , da vinci and others swim got in parties but doseages keep varying if you don't have a good source and you are getting it at the party (picking up whole vials and sheets have always served well :lol: )
 
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