Aya and Pharmahuasca not hitting

[ozbuckley]

Hi,

A few years ago I was in Peru and did around 10 aya ceremonies. It was my first psychedelic experience. The first ceremony I was completely sober the whole time...i felt zero effects. The second ceremony I forced myself to throw-up a little bit after feeling nauseous - i noticed some subtle effects of the aya coming through. The most intense the effects got up to for rest of the ceremonies was a 3 out of 10.

A couple of years after returning home, I did around 3.50-4g of shrooms. Totally blew me away! I realized what a psychedelic experience was about.

Shrooms, LSD, etc all hit 100% reliably.

I've recently tried pharmahuasca a few times - syrian rue and freebase. Each time has been zero effects.

The fact that all of my aya ceremonies were SUPER underwhelming, and the pharma experiences void as well, there must be something going on with my digestion that is blocking the dmt from being absorbed. I'm thinking I may have low stomach acid so the next time i try pharma im going to take the rue with lemon juice or apple cider vinegar to stimulate stomach acid. I think back to my second ceremony and i was completely sober until i forced myself to throw up a little bit - perhaps this action helped stimulate things a bit digestively which finally made me feel some effects of the aya even though it was minimal. Also the fact that shrooms digest perfectly makes me think its an mao-i issue with the aya/pharma. From what i understand, DMT and the psilocybin share a very similar molecular structure.

I'm curious if anyone has had similar experiences and have found a way to have it hit reliably?

thanks

 

[bismillah]

More caapi / rue, and taken separately 30-60 min before DMT. Other than that I have no idea.

 

[L-dreamer]

We can't help you more unless you tell us the dosages for pharmahuasca you used for example

 

[Tomtegubbe]

There are psychological factors in play which can block you from entering the hyperspace. This is quite unique compared to LSD and mushrooms.

I recommend experimenting more with harmalas. You can take heavy dose of harmalas (caapi or Atrian rue) so that you can definitely feel your mind space changing, but don't get the nausea if you skip DMT. If you skip the DMT part you don't build up the expectations for the trip which can build a block that prevents you from giving yourself in to the experience.

Sometimes to establish an intimate connection with someone you need to let go of any expectations regarding what you want to achieve in this encounter. I'd recommend taking the same approach. Learn to enjoy the subtlety of the altered mind with harmalas. Then when you are ready you need just a pinch of DMT to get on the train.

The hyperspace doesn't like to be forced. Who does.

 

[ozbuckley]

We can't help you more unless you tell us the dosages for pharmahuasca you used for example

It was 3g of rue, 20mins later 70mg of freebase mixed in with a shot of cocacola.

 

[bismillah]

We can't help you more unless you tell us the dosages for pharmahuasca you used for example

It was 3g of rue, 20mins later 70mg of freebase mixed in with a shot of cocacola.

Knowing myself I would hardly feel that at all. For aya analogs I personally need at least 4g rue tea, and then 5+ grams mimosa tea. It's hard to say what the equivalence would be in mg of freebase... the raw plant is stronger when you go this route.

 

[ozbuckley]

We can't help you more unless you tell us the dosages for pharmahuasca you used for example

It was 3g of rue, 20mins later 70mg of freebase mixed in with a shot of cocacola.

Knowing myself I would hardly feel that at all. For aya analogs I personally need at least 4g rue tea, and then 5+ grams mimosa tea. It's hard to say what the equivalence would be in mg of freebase... the raw plant is stronger when you go this route.

Great, Ill try 4g of rue next time! thanks

 

[oetzi13]

how much do you weigh? 70mg does not sound like enough either. 1mg per pound of bodyweight at least

 

[L-dreamer]

We can't help you more unless you tell us the dosages for pharmahuasca you used for example

It was 3g of rue, 20mins later 70mg of freebase mixed in with a shot of cocacola.

personally, even 2g of rue tea were good for me

now the freebase DMT is on the lower side, for pharmahuasca I need 100 mg of freebase