Ayahuasca brew help?

[Squishy]

Hi all, glad to be part of the Nexus, have a few questions regarding a recent brew of MHRB and b. caapi I cooked up last weekend. The original tek I was following (seems as though none of you want to provide a definite recipe!) called for filling a liter of water up with 20 grams of MHRB. Well, I added 100g for the first filtration, and another 100g for the second time through. For the caapi, I added a liter to 150g. Both were cooked for about 2 hours for each batch of water used. Then, I reduced both mixtures to 1/2 cup and 1/3 cup, for the mimosa and caapi, respectively.

However, I'm wondering if:
1). The water solubility of DMT is high enough to allow 200g to soak in a liter of water.
2). If this occurred, then how do I appropriately dose out of a total of 1/2 cup of liquid? Use it as a "concentrate"?

Thanks.

 

[staresatwalls]

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correct me if i'm wrong anyone who sees this but i hear (sorry i can't speak from experience) 9 grams of mhrb is a dose so divvy it up accordingly. it just matters that you do enough washes (4 would probably be good) and reduce. then you just have to do some eyeball math. (1) it doesn't seem like it to me, how many washes have you done?

 

[endlessness]

Squishy, did you check the FAQ?


The dosages should be measured in proportion to amounts of original material used.

200g good quality mimosa, properly brewed as mentioned in the FAQ link above and taken together with appropriate MAOI dose, could be enough for maybe 100 doses, so you would divide the final liquid amount in 100 doses.

You seemed to have missed doing the 3 or 4x boils, instead doing just two but adding fresh mimosa at the second, which is weird and certainly not efficient. Do as the link said, and use dosages suggested in the link also in the FAQ.

 

[Squishy]

You seemed to have missed doing the 3 or 4x boils, instead doing just two but adding fresh mimosa at the second, which is weird and certainly not efficient. Do as the link said, and use dosages suggested in the link also in the FAQ.

Believe me, I have read copiously in the weeks prior to attempting to do this! Sadly, not all of us have the luxury of having a sufficient amount of time to do these sorts of things. I figured that with the ~5 hours I had to myself, and with the abundance of MHRB at my disposal, doing it my way wouldn't be too terrible. Since I didn't have a ton of time, I only did a single boil with 100g of mimosa, filtered that out, added a fresh 100g with additional water, and filtered that out likewise...about 2 hours the first boil and 1.5 hours the second. Clearly that isn't efficient, but so be it. I would assume that a majority of alkaloids would be released during the first boil anyways.

I think the major issue I'm having is my (likely false) suspicion that if I divvied up my 1/2 cup of liquid into a single dose, that dose would be so small an amount as to not affect me whatsoever. I almost want to believe that there aren't as many alkaloids in my liquid as there theoretically should be!

 

[endlessness]

You dont need time to do this because you could just for example leave the MHRB soaking in water over a couple of days instead, you dont have to be physically present as it soaks.

Sure maybe the "majority" of alkaloids, but would you be satisfied if you were losing for example 30% of your alkaloids? Or 49%? And even if you for some reason wouldnt mind wasting all those alkaloids, there's still the fact that you wouldnt know how much you are wasting so you couldnt accurately dose.

It makes much more sense to do 3 or 4x boils, to approximate as much as possible to 100% extraction efficiency (but more boils not necessary, because of 'law of diminishing return'). I can safely say from my experience that the 3rd or even 4th boil, depending how powdered, how much liquid and how long boiled, will still have significant amount of alkaloids. You could test this yourself, extract the third soak/boil separately someday and see what comes out.

As for your idea of dividing dosage, I cant understand it. The fact is, the alkaloids will be in the liquid, and the proportion of liquid you drink = the proportion of original start material. The more you reduce, the less liquid you need for a dose. It doesnt matter if it seems to you for some reason like a small amount cant be that potent, because it really can (unless your cooking method is indeed amazingly inneficient that only small percentage of alkaloids are there). So please be careful and really do drink a small amount for the first time, I dont want to read on the news a story of the dude that was arrested for drinking equivalent of 100g mimosa and running naked in town in a bad trip screaming about hyperspace dragons or something

I really think you should do it properly next time in a less wasteful way and be attentive on the dosage.

 

[Squishy]

Like I said...I didn't have a ton of time to do this. I'll do a cold soak in a bit. Thanks for the advice, but to be honest, it'd be nice to get help without you coming off all, well, as a douche. :/