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Re: Strassman. Yes he reports Messiah Complex with deeper doses. I have no quibble with that.

What his work doesn’t answer is, what happens if you go deeper? And deeper? What is in the depths? The mystic swims where the psychotic drowns.
You're still swimming in concepts in these states. King of the multiverse (aka god aka messiah) is a common delusion of grandeur when the ego starts being confronted with the bigger sensation/realization that you are a divine primordial extrusion of the cosmos itself. But if that's true, then it's true for everyone. I understand why it's easy to believe you've reached some unique level of depth, since any new layer is always relatively mind blowing, and sure maybe you are. But to be completely honest this sounds to me more like barely dipping the toes in and the ego crowning itself king of hyperspace.
 
Just so you know your not on your own in thinking there is a battle of some kind happening in there !
I often return convinced I've just been in some sort of conflict with another fraction . ??
And yes I am definitely part of one faction , and I am very important and I always feel extremely protected.

So it's not just you that experiences this . I've been experiencing this for a few years . It's beyond doubt that something is happening in there. So relax , you are aware and experienced something 99.99% of humans will never do. That's enough for me .
The battle between good and evil is forever ongoing. It's ultimately an inner battle, and everyone interested should just read the Bhagavad Gita some evening ;)
I don't know about supporting these views in this particular thread, though. I feel one needs a clear head and some distance from the experience to get the right kind of message. When you're fully invested and it starts to crawl into your life, maybe it's time to relax and regroup. That was my point from the beginning.
 
I'm still trying to surf out of the recursive whirlpool of one creating its own reality and therefore there is [n]one. I have not found that crown yet, I will keep looking from my Throne. 😉

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Just so you know your not on your own in thinking there is a battle of some kind happening in there !
I often return convinced I've just been in some sort of conflict with another fraction . ??
And yes I am definitely part of one faction , and I am very important and I always feel extremely protected.

So it's not just you that experiences this . I've been experiencing this for a few years . It's beyond doubt that something is happening in there. So relax , you are aware and experienced something 99.99% of humans will never do. That's enough for me .
Thank you, brettsta. While I haven’t read many others trip reports, you are the first that I’ve heard that has said do feel this “part of one faction, conflict with another faction”. The way I understood most people’s experiences was of the unity and love, which I also felt for most of my experiences. So one can imagine how alarming it felt to feel such intense conflict. Thank you for sharing. Thank you so much.
 
Addendums

A) Related to Messiah Complex, let me offer a few thoughts.

1) I’m not claiming to be God, Jesus, or any other religious figure.
2) I believe I’m a fairly worthless human. Not nothing. But not much more than nothing. Eventually, I will pass, and I will fade into obscurity.
3) I don’t believe this Kingship confers anything special, other than unanswered questions.

Think of C3-PO with the Ewoks in Return of the Jedi. He is a bumbling King. That’s me. The Ewoks are Tribe A (but way more bizarre, advanced, ancient; and not humanoid at all).

(By the way, I experience the Tribe as being a federation of multiple types of entities).

Tribe B is possibly the similar band of entities as Tribe A, but viciously hell-bent on killing me as a “decapitation strike”, just as one colony of ants will maneuver to kill the queen ant of another colony.


So imagine C3-PO stumbling around, suddenly being thrust upon by a powerful force. Think of how alarmed he would be at being attacked. That’s me.

( When I say “attacked” note that almost the entire time, I was sitting on a couch. Everything that was happening was to my consciousness. )

One hypothesis I have is it’s Tribe A is like ant colony, where when the queen dies, there’s a vacuum of power, and then one ant becomes the queen (at least that’s how I understand it). I think I showed up at the right moment that they said “ok, you are King of our tribe” (or maybe even Queen….who knows).

I believe classic Messiah Complex is “I’m here to save humanity”.

But my situation is somewhat opposite “I need help from humanity, because I have no clue what is going on in this other dimension, nor what to do about it.” When this all began I kept saying to the entities “I’m just a human. Why me? Why me? I’m sorry for anything I mess up, I’m just a human"


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Addendum B) Proposed: “The Depths”

Here’s another thought to share, this time around depth.

I believe we have some decently explained strata of the DMT experience. (Forgive my imprecise terminology; I’m not familiar with the latest strata others have agreed on)

Sorted from least deep, to most deep…..

Layer 4) Sub-threshhold (not sure if that’s the agreed term)
— Goler - “code of reality” w/ laser

Layer 3) Waiting Room (not sure if this is the dose Carhart-Harris uses)
— Carhart-Harris - “therapeutic” use for depression (studies vs. Lexapro; recanalization of the brain; disrupting the default mode network)
current zeitgeist - “plant medicine”. Not exactly positive Carhart-Harris is sub threshhold or waiting room or breakthrough

Layer 2) Breakthrough (perhaps this is 25mg? +/- 10mg?)
— McKenna - “Chrysanthemum, Elf Machines” (I believe he reports a lifetime total of doing DMT 30-40 times)
— Strassman - “Spirit Molecule” (observed many; however only did DMT once himself)
— Gallimore - “The Others” and an effort to map them out via DMTx.

Layer 1) Proposed: The Depths (The Mariana Trench) — approximately 25-50mg (maybe even 75mg-100mg? - again I stopped measuring) vaporized in one inhale. Sometimes with an MAOi
— I wonder if there are many trip reports at this depth? Are there many reports of entities at this depth?
— And are there people that have repeatedly visited The Depths

Because that’s what I have done, I’ve gone back to that depth repeatedly and in short succession, and that’s what has been so wondrous, and that’s what has been so terrifying. Like getting to the depths and seeing entities that only exist at that depth; just as there are lifeforms that only exist deep in the ocean.

It’s possible that I went so far down that I hit the floor of the ocean (Layer 0???), unintentionally.

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If Goler’s discovery is that, in the shallows of sub-breakthrough, you can see the code of reality; I’m arguing that, in The Depths / at sufficient doses (and with the permission of the entities), you can “become reality”; and that you can “scrub” across different versions of reality, just as a video editor can scrub across a video. And that the scrub mechanism looks like a set of Rouleaux Triangles connected edge-to edge in a long line (sort of like connected triangular empanadas in an organic skin casing). And that’s just one of the bizarre entities I experienced at that depth. There are a multitude of entities, I believe, that have evolved and existed for many many years (hundreds of millions of years?, billions? outside of space-time?), that can only be seen at The Depths


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Addendum C) As an attempt to clarify, here’s another variation of my overarching questions:
— Frequency: Has anybody gone to those depths once? several times? over a dozen times? I’ve heard of people accidentally going there once. But has anybody gone there intentionally multiple times?
— Recency: Has anybody gone to those depths in the past week? If so, have they noticed something different in the tone/feel of those depths?
— Danger: Have they felt in danger? That the entities clearly said “You are in danger"
— Attack: Have they experienced an attack (psionic)?
— Death of Entity: Has anybody experienced another entity dying, trying to protect you, having been killed by Tribe B?
— New Lesson?: And beyond the typical “we are all one; one love” is there some other purpose or lesson that’s been bestowed? Or are they just as confused as I am where there is no obvious lesson?
— Humanity is Nothing?: Have they received a clear message that “humanity means nothing”, and “your universe means nothing”?
— White Freebase: Has anybody been to The Depths with pure white freebase (no jungle spice)?


Addendum D) Thank you for reading, and thank you for keeping an open mind. I know many of you are concerned / dismissive / over it. That’s fine. I don’t need 10 people to corroborate, I just need 1 who may have seen what I’ve seen. If 1 person has seen, then perhaps we can share notes. And maybe we can find another person who has seen. And another...…...


Addendum E)
I wish I’d never said “I’m an Interdimensional King”. I can see what a snap judgement turn-off that is. I get it. I roll my eyes, too, when I see something that smells of Messiah Complex.

I’m just a regular guy, that has seen something he can’t explain, trying to see if anybody else has seen it, too. That’s what I should have written.


Addendum F)
Mantras That May Have Saved My Consciousness

- Focus. Breathe.
- Together. Love.
- Peace to All. Love to All.
 
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I'm the King of Tribe B, so be careful :P ;)
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