Basic Ayahuasca Questions

[Oncewas]

Namaste.

I love the spice. It is beautiful. However, I am not one to just have the extract and not meet the source. In fact I recently decided I don't want to extract DMT anymore. It was fun learning, but I want to stick to a truely natural source I think from now on.

I am not a wealthy person by any means at all, so sadly I have to factor cost into my choice of sacred herbs . Luckily I know a vendor who will lower weight's for me and still give me a fairly decent price. I am so greatful for this!

However everyone seems to have different dosages and plant sources. I don't mind a good purge if it is returned with a meaningful spiritual experience. So I am considering Jurema/Mimosa.

As for the MAOI to go in combination, once again limited by cost, I am considering Syrian Rue/Peganum Harmala.

Would this be an effective brew for one:
- 7 Grams Syrian Rue Seeds
- 6 Grams Mimosa Bark

Any tips for a first timer?
How long should I be prepared to travel for(I hear 2-3 hours)?
Are the visions more organic using Ayahuasca versus Free-base Spice?

 

[Jorkest]

7g syrian rue....waaaaaaay tooo much..way way way too much...3g is a perfect dose...the mimosa is pretty spot on..

and it really depends...might last 3-6 hours..depending on food in belly..and most likely you will purge because...rue and mimosa are usually VERY harsh teachers..

 

[soulfood]

I'm more likely to see farmiliar sites with oral DMT, like faces, places farmiliar objects etc.

Will you not consider using chacruna instead of jurema?

 

[Oncewas]

I would consider anything if it makes sense. I'm just totally unfamiliar with the alkaloid content and my vendor who doesnt mind my brokeness doesn't have any(double checking his webstore)

What would be the difference of chacruna, and an estimated dosage?

 

[soulfood]

You'd need a lot more for chacruna, so yeah it would be more expensive. It just has a nicer alkaloid profile than mimosa which tastes pretty nasty and is a lot rougher on the stomach, especially with rue.

 

[polytrip]

with these ingredients, there is a great chance that you will have puked them out before the precious substances have entered the bloodstream.

Chacruna is way better because of that, or a mimosa cold water extract, wich requires up to three times as much mimosa.

 

[endlessness]

if you decide to do as you are doing, then yeah def take 3g rue, not 7... and expect a lot of nausea, as mentioned. Take some very strong ginger tea/extract before, to help a bit...

money is an issue, I understand, but, if you have the chance and some money at some point, I would def recommend extracting jimjam spice from mimosa using limonene.. It can all be made foodsafe and pretty natural, so...

Also with rue, I def recommend xtracting the harmalas, its easy and you dont need anything expensive for it and only foodsafe material.. just some vinegar, loads of salt, little bit sodium carbonate, funnel, loads of coffee filters and some cotton... and it gives you a much more accurate dosage, less nausea, no nasty alks, etc..

I have taken both purified extracts and the whole plants and honestly, I dont feel the whole plants are better than extracts, neither more that they give more organic visuals or more spiritual trips or anything.. I had plenty of 'organic' enlightening spiritual etc trips with extracts.

I have no intention of ever taking rue again, and maaaaybe neither mimosa, so in the case of these two plants I much rather take rue purified harmalas and limo extracted jimjam from mimosa than the tea of the whole plants... If I take some whole plant, then its the real ayahuasca, with chacruna and caapi, which I like and feel its very special and medicinal as it is... I dont think purified extracts substitute real ayahuasca and neither that ayahuasca substitutes the purified stuff, both are wonderful in their own place

 

[soulfood]

I have taken both purified extracts and the whole plants and honestly, I dont feel the whole plants are better than extracts, neither more that they give more organic visuals or more spiritual trips or anything.. I had plenty of 'organic' enlightening spiritual etc trips with extracts.

I have no intention of ever taking rue again, and maaaaybe neither mimosa, so in the case of these two plants I much rather take rue purified harmalas and limo extracted jimjam from mimosa than the tea of the whole plants... If I take some whole plant, then its the real ayahuasca, with chacruna and caapi, which I like and feel its very special and medicinal as it is... I dont think purified extracts substitute real ayahuasca and neither that ayahuasca substitutes the purified stuff, both are wonderful in their own place

This man knows what he's talking about.

If you're really into throwing caution to the wind try get some b. caapi and chaliponga. I've never tried it myself but I imagine it's the most cost effective and clean way to go very far.

 

[Space]

My favorite combination is mimosa and caapi. Very special to me. That combination can be very nauseous though if not prepared right. With the way I prepare them now I rarely get any uncomfort.

You just need to find your own combination which is best effective for your intentions.

If you are going to use syrian, like someone mentioned above, 3g is a good amount. It's very consistent is syrian.
I personally prefer caapi to rue, even though I've had some very spiritual experiences with rue, but then you may prefer rue to caapi.

 

[Oncewas]

I will take the expert reccomendations. I do want to experience the wholesomeness of the brew, but if there's a good chance I will only become violently ill, then what is the point? haha.

I will do the rue extraction if it is that recommended. I certainly have all the things I need for it.

I guess I could do a mimosa extraction. One of the things that turned me off from it was the naptha I was using for extraction had a carcinogenic(I think) adulterant in it(according to it's MSDS), and I didn't know this until I had smoked all of my spice. I thought I was smoking n-oxide, but n-oxide will not go into solution with naptha(via STB)... This is why I want something more organic, not because I'm some raging hippy or something.

I think I would prefer a more crude mimosa extraction but there are no real methods for that here. Maybe I will experiment around.

JimJam does sound enticing but once again you need either Limeonine(expensive) or you need I think is it Xylene(could be another dirty solvent).

So in essence my solvent paranoia has turned me to Aya.

Thank you for all of the good responses and information.

 

[balaganist]

If you want Ayahuasca .. you need Caapi. Choose your light-bearing plant; Chacruna or Chaliponga, or Mimosa. I have never personally taken Rue + Mimosa (something I would like to try one day), and it is not really ayahuasca... Ayahuasca refers to the Caapi vine.

I would recommend drinking a pure Caapi brew a few times to get acquainted with the plant first, and then carefully add the light. That route worked well for me.
Good luck whichever path you choose!

 

[Oncewas]

Thanks for the tip Balaganist!

I have 5 grams of caapi leaf. So not enough to brew aya maybe for some changa in the future however.

Caapi is a very interesting plant source. I have only smoked it, but it's effects by itself from what I have noticed are very pretty. An interesting awareness of calmness but curiousity is how I would describe it soley from my limitted experiences.

I have actually chosen a different path. I had a very long good discussion with Spiceman in the chat. For all you users who have not used the chat feature on this website I must recommend it!

Oh and the path I have chosen is actually a collaboration with Spiceman. It's 99% his tek, but I'm helping him write it and put up some pictures of it and everything. It's a 100% food-safe aya/pharma tek. If all goes to plan it will be up on the board in no time!

Thanks everyone for the great information. When I am more economically fortunate I will try real Ayahuasca, but until then I will try other means of oral administration!

 

[Espiridion]

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Caapi all the way.

If you have but 5g then perhaps using it for changa is a good idea. Wouldn't mind doing one more extraction, eh? The jimjam way. Swim is currently in the middle of a limonene tek. Cross yer fingers.


Namaste,

J
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[tropane]

SWIM says go with the caapi always.
It's not that he doesn't use rue at all but, it's just "too much" for him usually.
He's personally been thinking of switching to using caapi as his MAOI plant from now on.

 

[Ayawasqero]

Namaste.

I love the spice. It is beautiful. However, I am not one to just have the extract and not meet the source. In fact I recently decided I don't want to extract DMT anymore. It was fun learning, but I want to stick to a truely natural source I think from now on.

I am not a wealthy person by any means at all, so sadly I have to factor cost into my choice of sacred herbs . Luckily I know a vendor who will lower weight's for me and still give me a fairly decent price. I am so greatful for this!

However everyone seems to have different dosages and plant sources. I don't mind a good purge if it is returned with a meaningful spiritual experience. So I am considering Jurema/Mimosa.

As for the MAOI to go in combination, once again limited by cost, I am considering Syrian Rue/Peganum Harmala.

Would this be an effective brew for one:
- 7 Grams Syrian Rue Seeds
- 6 Grams Mimosa Bark

Any tips for a first timer?
How long should I be prepared to travel for(I hear 2-3 hours)?
Are the visions more organic using Ayahuasca versus Free-base Spice?

Hm tough questions. For further informations, pleasce visit the Ayahuasca Forums - Index page. Lots of free info there. Peace.

 

[antrocles]

caapi + chaliponga was my first aya.....and it was beautiful.
caapi + mimosa was my second ....and it was beautiful.
caapi + chacruna was probably my fourth...
....and it was beautiful.

what's the common denominator in all these combos?

...exactly...

DAHLING...IT'S SIMPLY deVINE!!

L&G!!

 

[ms_manic_minxx]

I have to recommend Caapi all the way, she is irreplacable. Caapi/Mimosa is my favorite combination, and Mimosa is much more affordable than using any leaf as an admixture. It is absolutely worth it to get the Caapi... Among the warmth, love, and spiritual guidance, she is also completely nontoxic.

This is the basis of my recipe, posted in another thread:

Was the bottled water distilled or RO? Those are best.

A tried and true method for cooking vine, for the sake of comparing notes:

-whole vine, shredded by hand, with intentions (the outer bark of the vine contains more THH)
-cooking area smudged
-fully submerge vine materials in stainless steel pot (I cook at pH 3 or lower, I hear 4 is fine)
-boil for 3 hours, stirring with consciousness + intentions, topping up with water if necessary
-filter all material through a T-shirt into a second pot
-cover the material with fresh water, cook for another 3 hours as before
-filter a second time, keeping your filtered washes in the same pot
-finally, cook and filter for 3 hours one more time
-take filtered washes and reduce to volume desired.
-find a nice and safe place in nature to return Lady Caapi to the earth

In my experience, cooking longer does not increase potency; cooking for less than 9 hours decreases potency. The 3x3 really seems to work magic. It also allows space for a break if life ever gets demanding.

Finally, some people also like to freeze botanicals before cooking, to break down the cell walls. I have not tried this, personally.

Since Caapi requires a 9 hour cook (3 washes @ 3 hours), Mimosa is best prepared the same way. When Mimosa is prepared like Caapi, it is EXTREMELY POTENT!!! EXTREMELY!!! 2-3g will send you to hyperspace for HOURS in multiple peaks, and usually half that with do the trick. 6g of Mimosa is most likely a brutality: the bark is very unforgiving when you ingest too much.

One other caveat about Caapi/Mimosa: cook separately. As soon as you are done, the vine can be consumed as is, but Mimosa will need to decant for at least 24 hours. When a bunch of oily sludge forms at the bottom of the Mimosa jar, filter through a pantyhose/cheesecloth. Do not drink the sludge!!

Caapi/Mimosa is an EXTREMELY rewarding combination. Court the spirits like you would your woman... and when they open up to you, it's beyond words. It's the magic that brings all of us here.

Happy travels!! If you ever need any additional help with a traditional Aya brew, please don't hesitate to ask!

Much love!!

 

[antrocles]

now THAT'S about as thorough an answer as i've seen anywhere on the matter! much love to you mmm for taking the time to really spell it out. your experience with yage is DEEPLY appreciated.

i love us....

L&G!!

 

[BecometheOther]

Sorry cappi/mimosa doesnt exactly constitute a tradtional aya brew. Not saying its not an awesome combo, i have had it myself.. Aya is made with the vine usually not the leaf... (someone mentioned ayahuasca leaves)
Depends on what your going for..
If you want traditional natural ayahuasca, you have to get ayahuasca vine (50-100g), and i recomend using chaliponga rather than charcuna. This is still a traditional amazonian brew and with chaliponga you only need about 10 grams of leaf instead of about 50
or you can use syrian rue/mimosa hostilis, i do it all the time with no exessive naseua. Use 3.5 g rue and 2-5 g mimosa depending on how adventurous you are. I use 7-8 g.
Try this... After you have the product of your mimosa boils and are reducing it, reduce the heat abit wait 10-15 min, then toss a few egg whites in and stir them up. The TANNINS in the mimosa will attach to eggwhite and float to top. Discard those chuncks and reduce the rest of the way. Put in fridge and after awhile the remaining solids will have settled to the bottom leaving you with a clear red tastless tea. Strong dose can be reduced to only 50 ml still clear and tasteless. Seriously!

 

[jamie]

I would concider caapi and mimosa to be ayahuasca.

Ayahuasca refers to the vine and nothing else..everything else is admixture..many tribes drink ayahuasca and never ever add DMT plants to it..many other tribes drink ayahuasca(caapi only) and then snuff yopo as the admixture..

Caapi and mimosa is just a less traditional way but it's still ayahuasca in my opinion..ayahuasca is not a stagnant practice..it is a living, growing tradition.

Rue and mimosa is something else though.