Before getting a divorce, ingest MDMA with your spouse.

[primordium]

A philosopher has proposed utilizing "love drugs" like MDMA to rekindle the affection a couple originally had. Doing so could potentially save them from a divorce, ones perhaps leaving children in turmoil. Doing so, according to him, can be considered a moral obligation.

I agree that spouses, especially ones that are parents, should consider MDMA (low dose if nothing else).

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/01/the-case-for-using-drugs-to-enhance-our-relationships-and-our-break-ups/272615/

 

[Enoon]

I think a lot of times the problems run deeper than just having lost affection for one another. Also my personal experiences with friends and MDMA indicated to me that the affection and connection felt during an MDMA experience does not necessarily carry over post-trip. I've had ppl turn into my best friends during an MDMA experience but later not return my calls.

I've also experienced the same thing reverse - with mushrooms though - with a partner I was close to breaking up with. On the mushrooms I felt love and wanted to make it work, but when I came to the situation was the same and I ended up leaving him because I had to. It had very little to do with losing affection.

However it is worth a shot, especially if both sides are interested in trying to make it work. I think what would be important is to really go in with intention and perhaps some kind of plan, rather than just taking it and see what happens.

 

[Jees]

One better deplete as many as sanely possible options for peace of mind, to leave the least trails of regrets. Time is one of them, time is a weird thing.

 

[hixidom]

In my opinion, how long the connection from MDMA lasts post-trip is entirely up to the user. The first time I rolled, I felt that I connected/bonded with my brother very deeply. The next day, I was still ecstatic about the changes in me but, the day after that, the feelings started to fade. I became very depressed. My brother assured me that these feelings are just neurochemical in nature, which made me feel even worse because I felt that things actually had changed between my brother and I, or at least the potential for change was there. I decided that this potential need not go to waste, and I changed. I tried to be closer and kinder to my brother and more present in his life.

My impression is that MDMA creates potential for change. Some people will never be affected permanently by MDMA because they think that the effects of drugs are "just chemical" and thus cannot change personality. In my experience, these are the same types of people who experience grand things while on psychedelics but claim to have never had a spiritual experience. To such people, every drug-induced experience is a lie and nothing more. MDMA does not increase one's love for another person, but it instead clears away all of the BS that has clouded ones sense of love over the years. It is sometimes hard to realize our love for another person because our own personal ambitions, vices, and egos get in the way. MDMA clears the air until there is nothing left but you and that other person and your love for each other. Holding that love at the center of ones attention after the effects of MDMA has subsided is key in preventing the BS from getting in the way again.

Anyways, I think that MDMA is great for couples whose relationship is starting to fail because it does not just increase affection: It also induces understanding (or perhaps just the willingness to understand) and such understanding, if harnessed and applied after the drug has worn off, could save a declining relationship.

Do I think that the enhanced sense of love and understanding caused by MDMA lasts forever? No. But if you can stretch it out for a few weeks to a month, I think you'll do more good for the relationship than just about any couples therapy could do.

 

[jamie]

psilocybin bonds me with others unlike anything else.

 

[primordium]

Anyways, I think that MDMA is great for couples whose relationship is starting to fail because it does not just increase affection: It also induces understanding (or perhaps just the willingness to understand) and such understanding, if harnessed and applied after the drug has worn off, could save a declining relationship.

Do I think that the enhanced sense of love and understanding caused by MDMA lasts forever? No. But if you can stretch it out for a few weeks to a month, I think you'll do more good for the relationship than just about any couples therapy could do.

Excellent insights!

I hope you and your family become even more closely united.

 

[Continuum]

Problem resolution through communication can certainly have lasting effects, and MDMA can help to reduce ego responses and defense mechanisms in interpersonal relationships, in my experience.

I was actually wondering not that long ago if there might be some compassionate and chemical-friendly therapists who would be willing to do MDMA-assisted couples counseling, maybe via Skype or something so there's no driving involved and the therapist has plausible deniability. My husband and I tested the limits within our relationship for many years, and I've found that we've been able to resolve certain issues that created tension or resistance to vulnerability together using MDMA privately, and with assistance maybe it could move leaps and bounds.

 

[Vodsel]

Actually, if I had suggested my ex to take MDMA together I would have sped up the divorce :roll:

 

[Continuum]

^^ That can be the positive conclusion too.

 

[hixidom]

That's true. And I would imagine that couples who get divorced don't want to fix things, or they would. I think that people CAN be innately incompatible, unfortunately.

 

[cosmic butterfly]

Yup some relationships just arent meant to be but some people just submit to fear and barrel through them. Not sure mdma is the best option though since i think you can love almost anyone on mdma, hell i fell in love with the rug my last time . Psychedelics on the other hand think can help clear things up much better imo

 

[Infinite I]

I've also experienced the same thing reverse - with mushrooms though - with a partner I was close to breaking up with. On the mushrooms I felt love and wanted to make it work, but when I came to the situation was the same and I ended up leaving him because I had to. It had very little to do with losing affection.

However it is worth a shot, especially if both sides are interested in trying to make it work. I think what would be important is to really go in with intention and perhaps some kind of plan, rather than just taking it and see what happens.

Totally agree with this I used to get this with all psychedelics, thinking yes I need her shes the best I need to make it work then things wouldnt really change and my rational mind would take over. Agree it could definitely help couples though.

 

[null24]

MDMA does not increase one's love for another person, but it instead clears away all of the BS that has clouded ones sense of love over the years. It is sometimes hard to realize our love for another person because our own personal ambitions, vices, and egos get in the way. MDMA clears the air until there is nothing left but you and that other person and your love for each other. Holding that love at the center of ones attention after the effects of MDMA has subsided is key in preventing the BS from getting in the way again.

Anyways, I think that MDMA is great for couples whose relationship is starting to fail because it does not just increase affection: It also induces understanding (or perhaps just the willingness to understand) and such understanding, if harnessed and applied after the drug has worn off, could save a declining relationship.

I agree with you about the lifting of the BS fog. Rather than increase affection, Ive found both effects to occur but only the latter has any real efficacy in daily life.
Very well put. Ive found that the benefits of DMT use for myself personally for depression and creativity need to be sort of boosted every now and then. I typically trip a few sessions every 2-3 months for that rerason.

 

[Aegle]

Primordium

Through working with MDMA it has help me on so many levels personally... I think though it needs to be taking with each person having the same intention in mind. As MDMA helps with peeling back the layers that we seem to hide deep within our subconscious, which we surround ourselves by and that accumulate over time while growing up from external influences.

MDMA also encourages open and honest communication which is often lacking in some relationships and I think it could help couples that struggle with opening up with one another as in any healthy and happy relationship communication is key.

Truly I think taking MDMA with your partner in order to rekindle the love that you used to feel for one another or to inspire communication couldn't do much harm, though it probably would be far more productive to use MDMA therapeutically before the couple has grown to far apart. Otherwise it might not be of much therapeutic use but it doesn't hurt to try.


Much Peace and Kindness

 

[Korey]

MDMA can be deep for some, but divorce is definitely a necessary thing in many relationships.

I don't like the pharmaceutical mentality that there's a drug for every ailment both physical and mental, they're almost like band aids. Equally, I really don't like the counter culture mentality that implies anything more than a very low possibility of "self growth" potential in regards to the use of empathogens and psychedelic drugs.

Take drugs, have fun, wake up, go back to work.

The problem with MDMA is that also impairs judgement, at least in my experience. I've been completely in love with people who lie and like to rob and steal whilst I was intoxicated on MDMA, waking up the next morning thinking "WOW, WAS THAT EVER A LOAD OF DRUG UPPED BULLSHIT 'love'." I've had some valid MDMA experiences, and some valid emotions that I could definitely reinforce with critical thinking, but I admit I've had many experiences that were unfounded and illogical, leaving me only to believe that I was highly intoxicated. Should some couples take MDMA together? Maybe. Should most? I don't think so.

There has to be a better way for people to connect than metabolizing drugs. Meh, maybe I'm too cynical.......

 

[Changafarian]

Could work it was originally what mdma was first as a psychiatric aid but IMO id rather go with what a few others said with something like mushrooms or LSD,way more truth revealed inmy experience,philosophers are mostly speculators and chemically sugar coating a circumstance could possibly lengthen a painfull eventual experience like divorce

id say avoid marriage in general(not love)marriage,its merely economic to me and you can share a relationship with someone instead of branding them as your property with a ring etc etc to me its just not neccasary you know what you know conventional constructed practice doesnt say much about whats felt as that which is truly felt.

be well friends,be strong