Best aya plants w/DMT, with ONLY DMT or as close to that as possible?

[radio879]

I have basically given up trying to find or get pure enough DMT from mimosa bark, that is good enough to use - i cannot stand any of that mystery or jungle compounds because for some reason I am 2000x more sensitive to those and they overpower any DMT in it, making for a miserable trip with ugly colors and the rest.

So I am wondering if "regular ayahuasca" plants - will i have more luck? do some of them tend to give a pure DMT trip (its okay if a little 5meo is in there)? Which ones should I try? Or do they also have a bunch of weird jungle compounds...

 

[bezevo]

maybe tannins ...... as the mystery red goo from extracts called jungle spice is just palmerized nnDMT test 98% pure , so mystery jungle spice is not a thing .or so the PHD chemists say .
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white yellow red go crystals its usually just nnDMT ,. maybe a bit of mnt in acacia ,

now with a simple brew its tannins . my best guess

look into an egg wash to remove tannins ?


what maoi plant ARE You using ?

 

[Transform]

I think one place to start might be in questioning your assumptions… do you really think the quality of your experience is being affected by a few micrograms of polymer any more than it's the result of your unconscious preconceptions regarding both the colour of your product and the fact that we're getting on for two decades older now? (Yes, I actually joined the Nexus around the same time as you, in a previous life)

 

[radio879]

I don't want to argue, or debate, I was one of the people that uploaded some LCMS scans back in the mid 2000s, lots of people were starting to do analysis. There are a few minor compounds, and yes, i am sure that some of these are what I react badly to so I dont really want to discuss it that much. I have had DMT from lesser known Acacia bark from Australia, which was very good despite there being a slight color or "extra" effects from whatever minor compounds were in the different acacia's. Sometimes, extra compounds are actually good or neutral/not bothersome. Acacia Confusa has a weird unpleasant effect as well, not sure if its NMT, don't really care what compounds it is - I just know that MHRB from Brazil or Mexico both = ugh. My brain is just weird, but it still likes extremely pure DMT

I have actually come across pure enough DMT, somewhat recently (like 2023 "recent") and I have had one "bad" dmt vape and one "good" dmt vape at the same time, and one is bad, the other is good, i can do them right after each other, both are different. I suspect that the people harvesting MHRB are doing it non sustainably and its messing with the ratios of compounds.... idk

Anyway like I said, not really wanting to go over it all again and I have no idea why I am so sensitive to whatever is in MHRB/confusa, maybe god plays jokes on me, who knows. I just want to know what is the least likely plant other than MHRB/confusa to do this, I am in the USA so I can't really get that same Australian bark anymore. I do understand that sometimes the effects of DMT will be slightly different some of the time and even depending on how much you have been using it. But that's different to what I experience.

I actually found a 'hack' to have a DMT trip on MHRB that felt like pure DMT / no off effects by eating DMT extracted from MHRB without MAOI - and whatever those compounds are, they seem to be reversable MAO inhibitors strong enough to activate the DMT without having to add harmaline or something. But the trip is shorter (shorter compared to when you take harmala/line with DMT)

 

[TheGreenPhantom]

I actually found a 'hack' to have a DMT trip on MHRB that felt like pure DMT / no off effects by eating DMT extracted from MHRB without MAOI - and whatever those compounds are, they seem to be reversable MAO inhibitors strong enough to activate the DMT without having to add harmaline or something.

Interesting. What was your dosage? Was the extract gooey or crystaline? How long did the effects last for?

 

[radio879]

Interesting. What was your dosage? Was the extract gooey or crystaline? How long did the effects last for?

much shorter, like 1 hour (but for me I never trip for more than maybe 3 hours or 4 max when taking harmaline + DMT).. and i am not sure of the dose but between 50mg-150mg probably.. so that led me to think that maybe the amount of MAOI that you take, might have an effect on amplifying the weird compounds. It probably depends on what the compounds are though..

 

[TheGreenPhantom]

Have you ever run a TLC plate on your extract? It would be interesting to see a mimosa extract side by side a syrian rue extract and compare....

 

[Transform]

Of course, the other places to turn for ultrapure DMT might be preparative chromatography (whatever the source), and synthesis - which shouldn't be all that taxing for a reasonably well-equipped semi-professional.

Also, have you ever experimented with phalaris grasses? Plus, I guess we should establish exactly what other source plants you've tried, and whether you're in a position to cultivate any of them yourself.

Your observation about oral use of a plain crude MHRB extract seems to suggest that it's either your RIMA that's 'at fault', or that some 'impurities' might in fact be desirable for modulating your experiences in particular.

Considering freeze-precipitated DMT from MHRB tends to be of more tian reasonably high purity, I'm also wondering whether you have a particular sensitivity towards the traces of 2-MTH-β-C. That's a compound where I've seen a couple of reports over the years suggestive of dysphoric/adverse effects when inadvertently concentrated through repeated reuse of the same naphtha, followed by evaporation to recover a final crop of material.

And yes, I'm glad you don't want to argue either - your situation presents a fascinating conundrum where I'm led to throw some ideas around and see what we can get stick. Or unstick

 

[TheGreenPhantom]

Of course, the other places to turn... might be preparative chromatography....

Any suggested readings on the subject of column chromatography for the layman?

 

[dithyramb]

What you are looking for is Chacruna, psychotria viridis.