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Bipolar person seeks stories of people who gone bad (e.g. psychosis) on DMT
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ymer said:
And the second one is incredible. His subconsciousness somehow got projected onto entities which make him aware of right and wrong.
My thoughts are that he did not give DMT its due diligence when he tried it, and therefore he knew nothing of reintegration and misinterpreted everything.
What compounded this exponentially, as he mentioned, was turning to the medical profession to help him reintegrate, where they of course treated him like a guinea pig.
There is one person in that forum giving him really good and relevant advice based on personal experience, and obviously agreeing that he is not psychotic.
But yea, that's interesting.
Thanks everyone for the replies! Very useful insights I must say. I have decided to postpone DMT into the long future. I read some Dutch forum topics about psychosis (not related to DMT) where some folks said they lost friendships due to psychosis. This would be the last thing I want to happen as I have 3 close friends.
A few years ago I had a psychosis myself and since then I experience a less concentration level (not that big, but still noticable) and I don't want this to get any bigger.
I will still keep on reading and watch (youtube) trip reports as my interest is still very strong. But for me DMT will be a long term (maybe when I'm really really old and got nothing to loose) whish.
A few years ago I had a psychosis myself and since then I experience a less concentration level (not that big, but still noticable) and I don't want this to get any bigger.
I will still keep on reading and watch (youtube) trip reports as my interest is still very strong. But for me DMT will be a long term (maybe when I'm really really old and got nothing to loose) whish.
Good luck! I first did psychedelics when I was 35 years old. I had come to the conclusion that I was crazy, had a pretty good picture of the craziness and I figured I couldn't get any more crazy than I already was. I had nothing to lose in trying psychedelics. Because I had done a lot of homework beforehand, it turned out really good for me.
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Did he though? You are referring to this one right? If so, you might consider re-reading the linked post... I'm like 99% positive that he went to the psych ward because of the problem that he described, and that he specifically stated that the medication given to him there either had no effect or possibly made it worse...ymer said:
I'd say someone who is getting harrassed by electronic jews who are experts in mind control shouldn't have taken DMT. May sound a little harsh but that's just not healthy.
edit: that's not to say that giving this person all sorts of medication is the right thing to do.
edit again: I've read a bit more of the psychonaut thread, I'm not so sure about it now. He might get there, eventually. Maybe he is, already, I don't know.
Glad to hear it worked out for you, pitubo. I think I can relate, though I haven't taken DMT yet.
edit: that's not to say that giving this person all sorts of medication is the right thing to do.
edit again: I've read a bit more of the psychonaut thread, I'm not so sure about it now. He might get there, eventually. Maybe he is, already, I don't know.
Glad to hear it worked out for you, pitubo. I think I can relate, though I haven't taken DMT yet.
Shanghigher
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Interesting stuff here.
Personally, I've used psyches to rid myself of depression - but that's depression, not bi-polar.
A friend of mine has recently become ill, and she's been diagnosed with bi-polar. She's still in a pretty dark place at present, but has questioned using psychedelics perhaps. I'm trying to ascertain whether that would be a good idea or not.
My thoughts on the matter, and what seems to be echoed here, is that it can be done, but a focus needs to be kept on the healing aspect of it. I know a great deal of her condition stems from hurt she has sustained in the past - my thoughts are perhaps an unraveling of the pain she feels from that may lead to her coping with her condition in the future. Treat the cause, not the symptoms, as it were.
Personally, I've used psyches to rid myself of depression - but that's depression, not bi-polar.
A friend of mine has recently become ill, and she's been diagnosed with bi-polar. She's still in a pretty dark place at present, but has questioned using psychedelics perhaps. I'm trying to ascertain whether that would be a good idea or not.
My thoughts on the matter, and what seems to be echoed here, is that it can be done, but a focus needs to be kept on the healing aspect of it. I know a great deal of her condition stems from hurt she has sustained in the past - my thoughts are perhaps an unraveling of the pain she feels from that may lead to her coping with her condition in the future. Treat the cause, not the symptoms, as it were.
The manic defense in bipolar disorder (also called manic-depressive disorder) is very closely related to depression. It's a different way of dealing with the same problem. There's a reason they call you manic-depressive even if you've never been depressive, just manic.Shanghigher said:
This article offers a nice perspective on the phenomenon.
And then there's this wikipedia article:
Narcissistic defences - Wikipedia
Shanghigher
Burning the locals, abusing the tourists, terrifyi
I wouldn't say they are closely related - there's a world of difference between the depression I've experienced and the mania I've encountered through bi-polar.
For a start, I never had a high. I never had a mania. There was never any happiness. All I had was pint of self-loathing and some bad luck as a kicker. I was self destructive, sure. But at no point did I feel better about anything - I just felt less for a little while when I drank or smoked or whatever.
This, I came to realise, was a combination of a bad situation I was in, and a tangled mess of mental wounds in my head. I have now been able to change the pace of my life whilst unraveling the mess. For all intents and purposes, while I may have a tendency towards depression in the future, I am effectively cured.
Bipolar is very different in that it's like schizophrenia - it's not something that can be cured, it can only be managed. The depressive state is there, but it is part of a cycle of highs and lows. It is not like depression where the key is to undo the trance your brain is playing. The key there is to keep it on a level. That's why I'm looking for more information on how trips affect bi-polar, as I wouldn't want to trigger a new cycle.
For a start, I never had a high. I never had a mania. There was never any happiness. All I had was pint of self-loathing and some bad luck as a kicker. I was self destructive, sure. But at no point did I feel better about anything - I just felt less for a little while when I drank or smoked or whatever.
This, I came to realise, was a combination of a bad situation I was in, and a tangled mess of mental wounds in my head. I have now been able to change the pace of my life whilst unraveling the mess. For all intents and purposes, while I may have a tendency towards depression in the future, I am effectively cured.
Bipolar is very different in that it's like schizophrenia - it's not something that can be cured, it can only be managed. The depressive state is there, but it is part of a cycle of highs and lows. It is not like depression where the key is to undo the trance your brain is playing. The key there is to keep it on a level. That's why I'm looking for more information on how trips affect bi-polar, as I wouldn't want to trigger a new cycle.
Thanks for chiming in. I had a manic psychosis some time ago and have as a result been diagnosed with bipolar, so I'm coming at this from a different angle.
I don't agree that bipolar disorder can't be cured - it's exactly as curable as depression.
I don't agree that bipolar disorder can't be cured - it's exactly as curable as depression.
Im not even going to go into whether or not DMT is for you, if you want it you will take it. simple as that. I do think its a good idea to be mentally fit though before you do go delving into things. When you miss your meds for a day, do you start feeling flighty or sick? if yes, then you need to be on them for a little while longer. I would cut down yourself even though this isnt advisable. If you take control yourself then things will be easier. i was almost diagnosed bipolar and schizophrenic during my drug induced psychosis.
i have one bit of real advice, its from a psych nurse i knew who borrowed me a book on neuro-plasticity: Walk. Walk everyday, it doesn't have to be much, just do it every day, go for atleast 15 minute walk and believe in yourself that your mind can adapt and change to be more independent. It took me almost a year to recover fully from a 3 month episode, so i cant imagine what it will be like for you. these medications you are on are important, but if you dont atleast try, you will be stuck on them for life. that was a possibility for me, but i ended up reducing by myself and getting off medication 11 months after the fact. I was one of the lucky ones.
i have one bit of real advice, its from a psych nurse i knew who borrowed me a book on neuro-plasticity: Walk. Walk everyday, it doesn't have to be much, just do it every day, go for atleast 15 minute walk and believe in yourself that your mind can adapt and change to be more independent. It took me almost a year to recover fully from a 3 month episode, so i cant imagine what it will be like for you. these medications you are on are important, but if you dont atleast try, you will be stuck on them for life. that was a possibility for me, but i ended up reducing by myself and getting off medication 11 months after the fact. I was one of the lucky ones.
Then where do you draw the line between the brain (as a nervous system) and the mind (as.. the mindAdjhart said:ichgoftsf said:Of course they do. What else would they study?Adjhart said:ichgoftsf said:Why not? The 'heart' is a very important part of the mind!
Neuroscientists study the mind?
The Nervous System, which includes the brain.
).ichgoftsf said:Then where do you draw the line between the brain (as a nervous system) and the mind (as.. the mindAdjhart said:ichgoftsf said:Of course they do. What else would they study?Adjhart said:ichgoftsf said:Why not? The 'heart' is a very important part of the mind!
Neuroscientists study the mind?
The Nervous System, which includes the brain.
Surely, that is up for debate.
But the point is that there is a line; the brain and mind are different.
And nowhere in the definition of Neuroscience is the mind mentioned, right?
downwardsfromzero
Boundary condition
Tell you what, let's say we remove your brain and see if you still have the subjective perception of having a mindAdjhart said:ichgoftsf said:Then where do you draw the line between the brain (as a nervous system) and the mind (as.. the mindAdjhart said:ichgoftsf said:Of course they do. What else would they study?Adjhart said:ichgoftsf said:Why not? The 'heart' is a very important part of the mind!
Neuroscientists study the mind?
The Nervous System, which includes the brain.
Surely, that is up for debate.
But the point is that there is a line; the brain and mind are different.
And nowhere in the definition of Neuroscience is the mind mentioned, right?
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