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Bridgesii CWE, Feasible or Not?

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A foaf has about 3.5 feet of fresh bridgesii that he wants to make resin from. He wants to use pure water that has not been acidified. He also does not want to cook the cactus because he has lately been on a diet of only raw food and although he is not against the idea of simmering, he would rather do a Cold Water Xtraction, then reduce to resin. Have any Nexians any experience with this method?

If so, is the end product of a higher purity than say, 4x 2-hour simmers as he would normally do? Is the yeild likewise decreased?
 
I sort of doubt the cwe would work, but you can try it. If you want a raw recipe, I recommend making jerky from just the outer green layer. cut the outer layer off as in Phlux's prep tek, then sundry/food dehydrator the green strips until they are not quite all the way dry, like the consistency of fruit leather. They should be slightly chewy and not crispy. 1 foot of bridge skins dries down to just a handful of jerky which gives a strong experience and I find at least as easy to get down as tea.
 
ouro said:
I sort of doubt the cwe would work, but you can try it. If you want a raw recipe, I recommend making jerky from just the outer green layer. cut the outer layer off as in Phlux's prep tek, then sundry/food dehydrator the green strips until they are not quite all the way dry, like the consistency of fruit leather. They should be slightly chewy and not crispy. 1 foot of bridge skins dries down to just a handful of jerky which gives a strong experience and I find at least as easy to get down as tea.
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Thanks, ouro for your response. That does sound like a very nice method, but unfortunately my foaf has a very weak stomach and has been known to vomit just tasting tea, let alone swallowing it. he has eaten dried chips as little snacks throughout the day many times, but has also developed a resistance to that as well.

That's why he wanted to do the resin tek, so he can encapsulate and not have to taste the medicine. He realizes that a cwe is definitely not considered raw but he feels like it is pretty close, since it is not being cooked. Also, a cwe can be conducted anywhere, like on a boat or in the woods, which is desirable to my foaf.

Again, I appreciate your input, any other input regarding this would be appreciated.
[I think I remember dg mentioning a CWE??]
 
is it about the potency of the monstruosus variety? it's worth to get the alks out of it?btw it seems to produce far less biomass compared to normal bridgesii
 
DiMiTriX said:
is it about the potency of the monstruosus variety? it's worth to get the alks out of it?btw it seems to produce far less biomass compared to normal bridgesii
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No it's just a regular bridgesii
 
Ipuma Ayar said:
check out an etheogenic preparation of achuma, its a semi recent post by yours truly
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I searched and found your post. nice tek, unfortunately my foaf does not want to consume a purified extract, and prefers to not make tea the usual way as he has done this many times. He also does not want to eat dried flesh, and would not ever even consider powdering it. He is well versed in drying vegetables, so its not that he is uninformed, he just does not want to do it that way. He wants to try something new. That's why he asked about a CWE, and not how to make dried chips or perform an Xtraction. He will do the resin tek, with or without cooking
If anyone has made tea without using heat. Opinions would be appreciated.
 
SWIM does a no boil tek with his bridgesii. Seems very potent, giving him excellent affects from 6" of bridgesii and a 3mls of a 5g/ml caapi water based extract.
He just puts the powder in a bottle, heats up water to boiling, lets cool for a few mins, then pours it in and shakes to completely emulsify the contents.

Swim thinks this could also work with just warm water or even room temp water, but cold is tricky, and you may want to add an acid in any tea you make cold hot. it helps the water separate from sludge and extract alkaloids.

You can add ascorbic, citric, fumaric, or any other foodsafe acids in the proper proportions as desired.

After a few hours swims cactus sludge falls to the bottom and the top can be poured off into another vessel to decant further and collect more pulls.

Repeat the process as many times as necessary, swim goes by color, pulls will begin to become transparent instead of murky green/yellow.

A herbal percolator would also be an excellent method to do a no boil tek.

Once you have all your pulls decanted you can filter with a cotton pressure/vacuum apparatus. Very easy to ghetto rig and works quick and easy. SWIM likes to wait until his tea is reduced a bit though, not enough to lose any actives to precipitation. Just makes it much easier to only have to filter 2 cups v 2 quarts.

Then swim reduces as much as desired only at a low simmer never boiling, usually until something starts to precipitate out, but reducing further is not detrimental as long as you are careful with the heat.

At this point SWIM adds some water based caapi extract, but is very careful with the combo.

Good luck.
 
very interesting, Day Tripper. How long do you let the emulsion set before filtering?
 
usually swim just takes his warm/hot tea and pours it through his 100ml syringe without the plunger and a cotton ball at the bottom. He them applies pressure with his mouth/breath and it filters in 15sec. So i guess i just filter it while its still hot, being as that as it cools down, it may precipitate out alkaloids, but that's unlikely. Still possible though. You may want to re wash any sediment or goop that decants out to ensure you have removed all the alkaloids.

Basically swim can handle sediment, not goop. And when you filter you get a wonderful golden piss tea that is transparent and quite active. After reducing his tea to down to 1cup or less, there may be something that precipitates out after filtering, but swim keeps it in solution. one filtering is enough. even though its prob not actives, just tannins or something else but better safe then sorry.
 
dg said:
the alkaloids are soluble in cold water, but heat helps break down the flesh to release them
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Ah! I was hoping you would chime in. I'm curious to know, have you ever attempted a cwe?
 
Crystalito said:
Well, couldnt the freezer be utilised for freeze/thaw cycles while the cacti sits is being infused in the water? No heat literally, still breakage of cells!
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yes that does sound like a good idea. My foaf has decided to tread carefully and experiment with a standard CWE to see if it works. If it doesn't, he can always make tea from the the remaining cactus.
 
Swim personally doesn't understand the difference between cooking somthing with heat vs. Dehydrating somthing with heat or sun drying somthing with heat... Oh well...
Regardless... Put dry achuma skins in cold water and drink them up neat... Skin and all. This is what swims done with a Bolivian shaman for years. You don't always puke... Just depends on you at that time. Purging ain't so bad.. Traditionally it's seen as cleansing, and encouraged.
 
Dorge I'm sure if what you are asking me. my foaf purges everytime at like 3 hrs. he just didnt want to puke immediately after drinking.

Neverthelesser, It has been confirmed a CWE does not work.
 
That's true with the three hour mark, though I don't always puke.
Bu the powder in cold water does work btw.
 
Ah! I was hoping you would chime in. I'm curious to know, have you ever attempted a cwe?[/quote]

nope i just know the alkaloids are cold water soluble, a cwe should work on fine ground material, give it a shot and report back
 
dg said:
Ah! I was hoping you would chime in. I'm curious to know, have you ever attempted a cwe?
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nope i just know the alkaloids are cold water soluble, a cwe should work on fine ground material, give it a shot and report back
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you mean with out filtering? the only time I had raw powder (something like 20g) mixed with cold juice and with out filtering I had a very acute kindney pain, i was breathless in bed for a while... i am not saying this will happen to others, but i wont do it again for sure.
 
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