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Hey phlux, two questions. First, why did you manske a caapi extract if there is no need for removing the vasicine/vasicinone as in rue?

Also, what did you do so there isnt all the salt contamination and so that it grows nicely, less salt saturation and slow cooling?
 
i the freebase in vinegar and added about equal volume hot salt water.
i did it to get hcl salts - its easy and there seems to be no loss.
less salt = nicer xtals - with rue they get to 20cm in 15mins.
 
endlessness said:
Hey phlux, two questions. First, why did you manske a caapi extract if there is no need for removing the vasicine/vasicinone as in rue?

Also, what did you do so there isnt all the salt contamination and so that it grows nicely, less salt saturation and slow cooling?
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First, I must say those are some beautiful crystals! Are they actually as white as in the photos?

I also wonder about the Manske – I thought that the Manske pulls out harmine and harmaline only, and leaves THH behind. So I wonder if you have any THH remaining?
 
My one experiment Manske-ing Caapi freebase was that I only harvested approx. 2/3 of the original Harmalas.
This led me to conclude that THH must be lost with Manske.
I made a post about it, I'll have to look.
I thought I might have even re-freebased the solution and recovered some of the lost THH.
I can't remember that part.
I'll have to check my old post.

Anyway, I thought the simple way to check -- and I encourage someone else to try this -- is to re-dissolve a known quantity of Freebase Caapi Harmalas and apply manske: Then see what the yield is...
 
But how do you know what precipitates is THH and not maybe other trace alkaloids or what not? Also remember manske = harmalas+hcl ion+salt impurities, so how can you "check the yield" if you dont know how much of those impurities is there?

The only real way to check would be getting pure THH and doing the precipitation tests or some analytical equipment
 
Well I think one can certainly at least make a pretty reasonable educated guess if...

A third Manske on Rue = a small negligible loss...

And a Manske on Caapi after the initial Freebase = 1/3 loss.

However maybe I am forgetting something.

Freebase weighs more doesn't it?
How much more?
 
Freebase weighs less because it is not forming an ionic compound with an acid. The weight difference depends on the weight of the acid used.

And those are some beautiful pictures. Nice deep blue sea feel.
 
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