caapi vine brew only

[astralspice]

Hey folks!
Ive been planning on making an aya bre for the first time and probably going to try using the herbal percolator, but ive heard alot of ppl having a hard time in general making a good brew so I plan on making a few vine only brews and try to find that sweet spot in MAOI so i can hopefully nail the aya brew the first try without having too much or too little harmalas.

Ive never used the vine that I have at the moment but i do know that the MHRB that I have from the same source is very potant (near 2%) so I can probably expect the same good quality for the caapi. How much caapi do you think would be a good starting dose using THP? Ive heard of ppl using only 10 grams but i doubt thats going to happen for me. Also what kind of effects does caapi vine produce? what would i be looking for, do you actually get psychedelic visions/fractals? or just feel stoned?

thanks.

 

[jamie]

Yes you can definatly have visions with just vine..though not necessarily fractals..you can have fractal visuals but it is not alot like DMT..alot of tracers at higher doses but the real visions happen when you lay down in the dark and they are more real in a sense than DMt-more immersive but in a dreamlike way. With harmala visions you might not even realize it is a vision until you snap out of it..it is sort of like a trance you fall into..and harmalas are NMDA antagonists just like ibogaine is so there is some dissociative effects and that is when the visions tend to manifest.

I never tried the THP method. Dagger is an expert on that so you might want to ask him..he claims it produces a stronger brew when done right..I have heard others claim that the cold water extractions produced weaker brews. I always do like extensive brewing when I make my ayahasca so I cant say anything about cold water extractions personally.

I would start at 50g and see how that works based on the potency of caapi brewed with heat.

When you feel the nausea hit just go lay down..the nausea is not bad at all usually unless you move around or have the lights on..but it still might be there. You get used it..usually you will get acustomed to the side effects of the harmalas after a few sessions and at the same time become more sensitive to the visions..so dont worry if you just get real sick at first.

 

[astralspice]

Sounds a little bit like mushrooms, which i have alot of experience with. Thanks alot you covered every aspect I needed lol. I have a 64 gram stick so maybe i will just boil up the whole thing and work from there. thank you

 

[jamie]

well..mushrooms are ALOT like DMT..especially when DMT is taken orally. Harmalas are something different..there is a glow that can be like tryptamines at times which makes sense as the beta carbolines are sort of elaborations of the tryptamine structure..but harmalas dont get all chaotic like mushrooms can(at least not for me)..harmalas are much more sedating and medative and the visions are like super super vivid daydreams. With harmalas I dont get much visuals other than tracers unless I take too much..it is not very visual at all..but you can have what seems to be true visions if you reach the dreamlike state.

If you have alot of experience with mushrooms I am sure a full ayahuasca brew with admixture will be very familiar to you, yet also very different. Ayahuasca contains all the good stuff about mushrooms but also contains alot more..if that makes any sense.

 

[McCoyBoy]

i've only made caapi brew a couple times and its mind blowing for me. totally enlightened for hours, you can just sink right into meditation. the visions are beautiful and dream like.
i am surprised that a caapi only brew isnt way more popular that what it is now. maybe i just made a really strong dose but i give it the thumbs up.

let us know how you like it

 

[astralspice]

Most of the time with mushrooms I get visuals but i dont actually see them, its more of thought that is so deep that i can actually see it. hard to explain lol. Thats with 2 grams and under, eyes closed. Sounds like a Caapi only brew is going to be realy nice

 

[aliendreamtime]

I've done a couple caapi-only brews and one russian olive bark experiment. I purged both times with the caapi but not with the R.O.B. It is more of a meditative/shamanic tool you might use to enhance an experience- like creative visualization or meditation- than an experience in in itself- like vaped DMT. Its more like cannabis than mushrooms I'd say. I never got any visuals...hypnogoia seems to be more pronounced. Still wonderful...I love caapi! She will reward you for respecting her, as long as you listen carefully.

I could never really tell whether I got a full dose or not, other than a feeling of warmth, slight euphoria, and a bit dreamier state of mind. All of which could be placebo. :?:

Going for my first admixture brew once my MHRB arrives!

Good luck!