Can't do step 6 of Harmine Crystals

[StarButterfly]

Used this guide Harmine Crystals from Syrian Rue - Harmalas - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
Crystals with dirt are MAOI, I ate. But after alcohol ethyl there no crystals only yellow and red power without effect, but it produce cramps and tachycardia. Thread say it is some oxide.
Is there any natural way to clean the dirt?
I don't want use NAOH, I afraid harm yourself. And I tried few times, hard for me, fail.

Also I want to do this, because from eating seeds I started to have a severe allergy. Although it may be useless, because a little protein will always be there, right?

 

[mooai]

I recently had success just doing a crude manske on the tea. Steps are as follows:

Make tea:
1. Grind then boil seeds normally in water for 30 min to 1 hr
2. Strain thoroughly through metal filter and then through coffee filter

Then manske:
3. Measure the amount of liquid and add 20-30g of salt per 100mL of the tea. Warm and stir to make sure it's dissolved.
4. Leave in fridge overnight
5. Filter through coffee filter and then let it dry out

Product will be yellow to brown. That worked fine for me so I'm not sure if it's necessary to basify or do so many steps to get a decent product.

Before I did it the seeds had an unpleasant stimulant effect, and afterwards it was gone.

Another thing you could try is boiling for longer and with some vinegar when making tea. My end product was a totally different color with similar effects when I boiled for longer. Maybe it broke some stuff down and could help with the protein thing. Attached is what mine looked like. Brown is 1 hr boil and tan is 8 hr boil.

Both products were very active.

 

[StarButterfly]

Hmm, I used 10g salt/100ml.

How much to add alma powder? How often?
How much chloride do you eat? I found out that 100 mg is not enough. 200-300? For maximum effect DMT.

Should I change distilled water 2 times with new 2 spoons of vinegar? And then count down 8 hours?

Thank you. Very helpful information.

 

[mooai]

Hmm, I used 10g salt/100ml.

How much to add alma powder? How often?
How much chloride do you eat? I found out that 100 mg is not enough. 200-300? For maximum effect DMT.

Should I change distilled water 2 times with new 2 spoons of vinegar? And then count down 8 hours?

Thank you. Very helpful information.

Amla powder not needed I just put a few tablespoons as a test but found it's not necessary.

Color change was due to longer boiling and more vinegar. I used much more than 2 tablespoons for 100g seeds. Maybe a few cups of white distilled vinegar in a medium pot. Doesn't matter if there's too much vinegar because you will manske. Boiled for 6-8 hrs stirring occasionally.

I would use more than 10g of salt maybe 20-25g/100mL to ensure you pull out all alkaloids. 100mL of pure water will dissolve max 35g of salt at room temp. Worst that can happen is your product tastes a little too salty.

I have not take it with DMT yet but I took 0.6g by itself and couldn't move for a few hours and had some visions and heavy nausea. I imagine 0.2g would be more than enough.

 

[StarButterfly]

That is full recipe, thank you again.
Nice visions or bad trip?
Once I tried black caapi. In fact it's other species. I used only 10 g. But brew was extremely strong. It gave me bright colorful visual like psychedelics. Also I was dizzy and vomited greatly. I watched a Lego movie and puke, not because I wanted to, but not to think about death. It was an interesting experience, although scary. Usually maoi does not produce such visual effects. Still our vine piece for luck.

Against caapi and harmala nausea and vomiting I use weed. But it didn’t always help with tea. I started eat powdered seed. It provoked an allergy. Not such a good invention as I thought.

These problems would not have been if my government had not put Harmine on the same list as cocaine. I would just buy brazilian shredded caapi.

 

[mooai]

That is full recipe, thank you again.
Nice visions or bad trip?
Once I tried black caapi. In fact it's other species. I used only 10 g. But brew was extremely strong. It gave me bright colorful visual like psychedelics. Also I was dizzy and vomited greatly. I watched a Lego movie and puke, not because I wanted to, but not to think about death. It was an interesting experience, although scary. Usually maoi does not produce such visual effects. Still our vine piece for luck.

Against caapi and harmala nausea and vomiting I use weed. But it didn’t always help with tea. I started eat powdered seed. It provoked an allergy. Not such a good invention as I thought.

These problems would not have been if my government had not put Harmine on the same list as cocaine. I would just buy brazilian shredded caapi.

Good visions but difficult body load. I like caapi more for higher doses, less nausea and pain.

Interesting only 10g of that caapi caused visions, must have been a very high alkaloid vine. But harmalas I think can often induce visions if you take enough. Many of the original tribes using it did not add DMT to their vine but would instead take very high doses of caapi/harmalas. If they did add DMT it was a small amount and just to brighten up the caapi visions apparently.

Harmine is illegal where you are so you use rue now? If you check my profile I am working on another thread doing some tests to try to reduce harmaline and generate THH in rue, make it more similar to caapi. I'll keep you posted. This is why we need alternative harmala sources.

 

[StarButterfly]

Vinegar 5% or 9%?
Because actually it's Alicia Anisopetala. Hard stuff.
I almost do not feel the usual caapi/harmala portion. In my opinion the coolest thing is the second half of DMT. Only maoi has an antidepressant effect. But DMT strengthens it many times.

All plants containing harmine are illegal. No one is selling anymore.
I will definitely read it.

 

[downwardsfromzero]

If you check my profile I am working on another thread doing some tests to try to reduce harmaline and generate THH in rue, make it more similar to caapi.

Link to mooai's experiments:

Syrian Rue Extracts TLC of Different Boiling Lengths (Harmaline -> THH?) - Harmalas - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[Jagube]

I recently had success just doing a crude manske on the tea. [..] That worked fine for me so I'm not sure if it's necessary to basify or do so many steps to get a decent product.

One of the benefits of basing is that it allows you to separate your alks from the excess water, thereby removing the need for boiling it down to a workable volume (especially the small volume required for manske to work). A great energy saver!

And if you use lye, you need very little.

 

[mooai]

Hey guys no proof of this but have been messing around and am almost certain toasting rue seeds (whole seeds in oven at 425°F for an hour or two) removes harmaline making it a smoother ride. Pretty much 100% sure of that but the question is whether the harmine is left in tact. It feels like it is but still need to do a TLC. I'd like to guess and say by how it feels THH and harmaline are destroyed/degraded back into harmine and the vasicine chemicals are left in tact as well. Throwing salt in for a manske now and prolly will TLC in the morning.

Ate like maybe 5g of toasted seeds which would usually leave me begging mama rue for mercy and I've just been hanging out doing stuff around the house and didn't notice any tracers or dissociation. Not much foul taste to speak of either, a little burnt but got them down easy where harmaline can cause extremely strong gagging. The brew I made from it that I'm about to manske tastes far less foul than normal too and doesn't have the same tongue numbing feeling. I remember shulgin talked about in a very old brew over years both the THH and harmaline appeared to degrade back into harmine.

Thought that might be relevant to this thread. Maybe removing harmaline could help with the allergy thing, it is rather tough on the body.

Edit: Scratch that... Looks like most all of my harmalas were just destroyed after manske from the toasting. Maybe could play around with different temps and durations to destroy only harmaline/THH?