Changa preparation questions

[psychedelico]

So, I'm getting ready to make my first ever batch of changa. This is basically Electric Sheep, which I've wanted to try ever since I first read about it. I've been reading a lot of posts on how to prepare it, but I really want to make sure I get it right.

Here's what I'm planning:

- 550mg Banisteriopsis caapi vine
- 350mg of dream herb (Calea)
- 350mg blue lotus
- 1.25 g freebase DMT extracted from MHRB
- 50ml 99 percent IPA

This is a somewhat modified version of Electric Sheep, since it contains more caapi. Are there any concerns there or reasons why that wouldn't be advisable?

I'm going to

- blend the caapi and Calea together
- dissolve the DMT in the warmed IPA
- add the caapi and Calea to the dissolved DMT
- allow to dry completely, then add the blue lotus
- leave it to cure for a week or two

Is this a sound approach? I read that there are different ways of considering ratios when it comes to Changa, but if I understand correctly, this would be a 1:1 blend of plant material to DMT. I'm a little unclear if it should be 1:1 caapi to spice + the other botanicals, or if this is OK as is. I'd rather have the final product be on the stronger, rather than weaker, side.

Also—I accidently ordered some passionflower, but I'm eager to use it, too. If I added some into the blend, would it make it too sedating do you think?

Thanks for helping a newbie out. I appreciate it.

 

[Varallo]

I would skip the caapi vine because it will make the blend hard to smoke and the amount used does not have enough harmalas in there to be effective.

So what I would suggest is you add 0,5 gram of harmalas freebase and up the other herbs, you want to be somewhere around a 50/50 ratio of freebase (harmalas and dmt) to herbs. Another option would be too use caapi leaves, although some people use them I think dose of harmalas is to low.

A more healthy option ( smoked plant material is unhealthy) would be to use some harmalas sublingual and then vape dmt on top.

Take care

 

[pantostao]

Your approach is sound. It's a good plan.

I'm gonna chime in with Varallo in that you might want to add some freebase harmalas. I'm not sure if caapi vine is difficult to smoke, I add caapi leaf to my changa and I like it a lot.

Or, you can potenciate the caapi. You can try using 4.950 mg of caapi (x9 your desired amount), and leave that covered in IPA for some days. Then, filter the IPA, and use that IPA to dissolve the DMT and proceed as you said in your post. That IPA is going to contain the caapi concentrate, so the end result would be like if you used 550 caapi vine x10 extract.

On passionflower: I like to add it to my changa, around 1/3 of the total herbs. I do find it kind of sedating, but I don't think it's too much, I like it. That might depend on your preferences, though. Passionflower is not very strong, lots of people would recommend concentrating it as I said to do with caapi vine.

 

[psychedelico]

I would skip the caapi vine because it will make the blend hard to smoke and the amount used does not have enough harmalas in there to be effective.

So what I would suggest is you add 0,5 gram of harmalas freebase and up the other herbs, you want to be somewhere around a 50/50 ratio of freebase (harmalas and dmt) to herbs. Another option would be too use caapi leaves, although some people use them I think dose of harmalas is to low.

Isn't that what they call enhanced leaf? Where you use harmala freebase instead of an MAOI plant? I'm open to trying it that way, too.

A more healthy option ( smoked plant material is unhealthy) would be to use some harmalas sublingual and then vape dmt on top.

I've been researching the best way to consume changa, and I think what I'm going to do is use a dry herb vaporizer. I've seen a lot of people mentioned they've had a lot of success that way. I have never been able to use a pipe or bong to smoke anything (I always mess it up), although I might try rolling it into joints.

 

[psychedelico]

Your approach is sound. It's a good plan.

I'm gonna chime in with Varallo in that you might want to add some freebase harmalas. I'm not sure if caapi vine is difficult to smoke, I add caapi leaf to my changa and I like it a lot.

Dang, it sounds like I should have ordered dried leaves instead of dried vine.

Or, you can potenciate the caapi. You can try using 4.950 mg of caapi (x9 your desired amount), and leave that covered in IPA for some days. Then, filter the IPA, and use that IPA to dissolve the DMT and proceed as you said in your post. That IPA is going to contain the caapi concentrate, so the end result would be like if you used 550 caapi vine x10 extract.

Hmm, I hadn't thought about that. What if I made a 10x extract using 5,500mg and no vine in the final blend?

On passionflower: I like to add it to my changa, around 1/3 of the total herbs. I do find it kind of sedating, but I don't think it's too much, I like it. That might depend on your preferences, though. Passionflower is not very strong, lots of people would recommend concentrating it as I said to do with caapi vine.

OK, I'll give it a shot. I like feeling sedated and kind of stoned, so this would be perfect for me.

 

[Varallo]

Isn't that what they call enhanced leaf? Where you use harmala freebase instead of an MAOI plant? I'm open to trying it that way, too.

No that would be a dmt infused blend without harmalas. In most opinions changa has maoi in the mix, but it’s also a bit of semantics.

Hmm, I hadn't thought about that. What if I made a 10x extract using 5,500mg and no vine in the final blend?

I would use more than 5,5 grams of caapi, but the method is great

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[psychedelico]

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Ah, thanks for pointing that out. Do you think this altered version would work?

 

[pantostao]

What if I made a 10x extract using 5,500mg and no vine in the final blend?

I think that's a good approach. I hadn't thought of that, but I think It would work. Maybe replace the 550mg of caapi with 550mg of passionflower?

I haven't tried concentrated caapi without added harmalas freebase, so honestly I don't know how strong It is on its own.

Harmala heavy changa is pretty different from straight DMT. It's something you need to feel for yourself and decide how much you want.

 

[610nanometres]

So, I'm getting ready to make my first ever batch of changa. This is basically Electric Sheep, which I've wanted to try ever since I first read about it. I've been reading a lot of posts on how to prepare it, but I really want to make sure I get it right.

Here's what I'm planning:

- 550mg Banisteriopsis caapi vine
- 350mg of dream herb (Calea)
- 350mg blue lotus
- 1.25 g freebase DMT extracted from MHRB
- 50ml 99 percent IPA

This is a somewhat modified version of Electric Sheep, since it contains more caapi. Are there any concerns there or reasons why that wouldn't be advisable?

I'm going to

- blend the caapi and Calea together
- dissolve the DMT in the warmed IPA
- add the caapi and Calea to the dissolved DMT
- allow to dry completely, then add the blue lotus
- leave it to cure for a week or two

Is this a sound approach? I read that there are different ways of considering ratios when it comes to Changa, but if I understand correctly, this would be a 1:1 blend of plant material to DMT. I'm a little unclear if it should be 1:1 caapi to spice + the other botanicals, or if this is OK as is. I'd rather have the final product be on the stronger, rather than weaker, side.

Also—I accidently ordered some passionflower, but I'm eager to use it, too. If I added some into the blend, would it make it too sedating do you think?

Thanks for helping a newbie out. I appreciate it.

How did you end up going with this in the end? Was there a reason you wanted to put more caapi vine in the mix?
I'm sure you've seen it, but this thread Changa: A smoking blend containing Ayahuasca and other herbs has a lot of good advice about caapi addition and whether additional harmalas are necessary or even desirable.
I have made 13 blends so far, of which 7 have been enhanced leaf, 5 have been changa containing red caapi vine, and one changa with red vine and harmaline extracted from red caapi vine.
From my experience, red vine in the mix, when it has been blended fine, is absolutely no problem to smoke. My blends have all been very smooth and enjoyable, and I have kept one eye on this outcome when selecting my herbs.
I don't smoke that often, and I have not been analytical in my approach to consuming the different blends, so cannot give much more than my gut feeling about the differences, but the red vine in the mix definitely changed the character of the journey. I gave most of the blend with harmaline added away, but the experiences I had definitely did feel somewhat 'heavier', but again, my experience is so limited, I can't really comment on the difference harmalas/harmaline make.
All this talk of what is and what is not 'changa', whether caapi or added harmalas are added, seems pretty spurious to me, and feels a bit like people are placing things in a hierarchy, judging some as 'better'.
Chocobeastie, the guy who, by all accounts, came up with changa has posted on here that added harmalas are not required, or possibly even desirable, but to me, it just seems like a personal choice. Give things a try and see what you like!
Here is his youtube Julian Palmer and I think he has a lot of very interesting stuff to say, and it clearly extremely experienced.
Chocobeastie hasn't posted here in a long time, and I felt somewhat surprised by the attitude several of the members on here seemed to hold towards him, being rather dismissive, in my mind. Seemed to stem from Julian's somewhat relaxed approach to introducing people to changa, and possible harm, but then I do feel that this site trends towards overcaution. I'm much more in Julian's camp.
Here is a little ratio I use as a guide when coming up with blends. Can't remember which thread I found this on!
Caapi (vine of leaf) 30%
Base (mullein, damiana or mj) 40%
Leading Herbs (20%): Psychoactive - mj, damiana, sinichuchi, blue lotus
Dream Enhancement - calea, blue lotus, mugwort
Cognitive - Gotu Kola, passion flower, ginko biloba
Stress - damiana, skull-cap
Mood/depression - lemon balm, motherrwort, skull-cap
Flavouring 10%: peppermint etc
That list is obviously not exhaustive, and I also infuse my IPA with various herbs, some for flavour (peppermint, lavender), or others for the character they bring (passion flower, damiana, pau d'arco for example)

I would say, don't worry so much about what other's preferences are, just try out what you're drawn to and take it from there!
If you want a 50% blend, then you want equal weight of dried herbs (including caapi) to dmt.