Food keeps me alive. Money is a means to an end. That is all. Most people who are substantially well off are greedy bastards.
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I apologize I don't mean to come off as being argumentative. I'm simply disagreeing. This thread is essentially about values and how to look at things in a positive manner. Money generates more negativity then it's opposite. The secret is based on becoming filthy rich, and assumes this is the readers goal. It would be nice to be filthy rich, or shall I say easier. Yet it is not my goal. My goal is to achieve a balance in my life and improve upon how I deal with the good and the bad. The secret has helped me come to the conclusions that I've come too.
Silly(c)One
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You do realize we are on the DMT Nexus, right ?DNA said:
Silly(c)One
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That's the thing, what did you need The Secret for, if you realized the same thing for yourself ?anrchy said:
What I can't stand in The Secret, is that they spend hundreds of pages to tell you basically : think positive.
This is what I call a scam. I'm sure the author is positively happier to be richer for ripping you off.
Silly(c)One said:
Your not understanding what I said. The conclusions I came to "the secret" helped me get there. Basically it put things into perspective. At the time I still had people around me that we're making shit choices in life, there drama would effect my life. Constantly hearing other people's problems or hving to help alleviate ect. Also I wasn't creating any goals or doing anything to improve my way of life. I wasn't "constantly" being aware of thinking positive. I wasn't making goals and making things work more efficiently.
Just like anything in conversation. You talk about new ideas or old ones with someone and it can spark a different view on things or allow you to see something from a different pov. That's why I say the secret did help me. Yes there is an awful amount of crap. But there are god ideas they just aren't being out to good use. But I did. I took what made sense and applied it to my life and it has been a turning point in my life.
Just like DMT. At the time I first heard about DMt from mr Rogan I was slightly against pot, even though I had been a huge pot head before hand, I had been drinking quite often and wasn't using any psychedelics due to a bad trip I had on mushrooms in te past. Rogan may not be the smartest guy or some may not even like him but listening to his podcast is much like talking with my friends. Btw Rogan is a fairly smart person IMO. I don't see myself as any smarter than he is. Our personalities are actually quite similiar.
Anyways that's what I'm saying.
murphythecat
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be positive! thats helpful!
Silly(c)One
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Thanks for clarifying. I understand. And there's nothing to disagree with here, it's your experience.anrchy said:
But if people are looking for deeper insights, they will find A New Earth much more useful as a tool for personal development.
The Secret only superficially scratches the surface, and completely misses the main issue underlying the human condition, which is the ego.
I never meant to disrespect anyone's own development, just pointing out that there are MUCH better books than The Secret, which looks more like a telemarketing scam than real philosophy.
Well to clarify I am in no way supporting the secret nor an I recommending it. Just stating that it does have good info hidden inside. Besides nothing works for everyone. We all find our own paths and one mans treasure is another mans garbage.
anrchy said:
Yes, but because it was also about getting rich a lot of people disliked it. Those people that want to live off the street corners or end up working as beggers were appauled. Why on earth would anyone dream of wanting money in this money based society where your basic rights and in fact everything revolves around money??
Needless to say this book appealed to the general public, and who knows maybe inspired some to become "filthy rich"- what rotters!!
Luckily, here on this thread most of the people aren't interested in that at all, and in 10 years time they'll still be posting here working on that supermarket checkout, bickering about why the entities are scolding them and not understanding why, whilst their friends are working in their dream jobs, with their dream partner, in their dream home.:lol:
It doesn't matter in the end, whether you discovered some secret in a book, or you thought of it, or you think it can't be another way. The most important thing here is the potential. It doesn't matter if, say, a book is shit. It really doesn't. If the shit in that book makes the reader realize the exact opposite of what it's trying to communicate, how is it that this book isn't a good one? It taught you SOME thing, even if the thing it has taught you is not necessarily what's advertised.
See how easily you can switch your approach? You can just throw that book out or what ever and say it's full of crap, sure, but that wouldn't leave you with anything but frustration for the time you lost reading the book. That's just ignorance. That's why we need both good and bad ideas: bad ideas can be turned into good ones with a positive outlook or a totally different approach. Realize the potential, without lying to yourself or making stuff up just so that "my view works". Your view needs to work in any situation, independent of any external stimuli. Because when you get at this point, you realize there's absolutely NOTHING you can't do. All you need to do is simply apply yourself.
But this is just the thing, and the "secret": you can't expect to live exactly the same way, and have things around you "just working themselves out". That security needs to go out the window in order to really get over your boundaries. Because we might not realize, but as long as "something isn't right", that just means we're holding contradictory or irrational beliefs.
Reality isn't real
See how easily you can switch your approach? You can just throw that book out or what ever and say it's full of crap, sure, but that wouldn't leave you with anything but frustration for the time you lost reading the book. That's just ignorance. That's why we need both good and bad ideas: bad ideas can be turned into good ones with a positive outlook or a totally different approach. Realize the potential, without lying to yourself or making stuff up just so that "my view works". Your view needs to work in any situation, independent of any external stimuli. Because when you get at this point, you realize there's absolutely NOTHING you can't do. All you need to do is simply apply yourself.
But this is just the thing, and the "secret": you can't expect to live exactly the same way, and have things around you "just working themselves out". That security needs to go out the window in order to really get over your boundaries. Because we might not realize, but as long as "something isn't right", that just means we're holding contradictory or irrational beliefs.
Reality isn't real
rjb said:
I think you're right, rjb.
What was good about the secret was that it was an easy to read and simple book that was geared to inspiring the general public to realise that they can become great if they "get their act together". It was a book written simply to appeal to simple people.
The trouble with a lot of other books is that they go too deep and by the time the book is finished the main points are forgotten. The secret included a lot of very deep philosophies that were condensed for ease of understanding. It was much more than a think positive book, and explained the utter importance of HOW to ask for what you want, and how to better your chances of getting it. You see a lot of people want nice things, but deep down for whatever reason (maybe news of kids starving in Africa) feel undeserving, so they don't get it. Other books would not explain this phenomenon.
It's not a perfect book, and was just another of the "self help fodder", that keep on coming out on a daily basis. But compared to the other books that were out at the time it was groundbreaking. If you wanna say the secret was a rip off of an old book, you can say the exact same of 95% all the other self help books too. To the nay sayers: No need to be sour cos the author did well and made a lot of money on a good idea at the time: I call that jealousy.Success usually happens to those that are awake to the needs of people at any one time, and providing what they want/need.
rjb said:
True. We need to constantly move with the flow. Many people have stuck views and are not living with the moment. I like the Secret because of it's simplicity. It basically was all about how to make the universal flow of energy work for us in a positive way that suited the current money eating world that we live in, although it didn't take a brainbox to modify that "money making" part to some other gain either.8)
Oh, I forgot. Here's another view of it, from a different source. Explains basically the same thing being discussed in this thread.
Earl Nightingale - The Strangest Secret
Earl Nightingale - The Strangest Secret
DNA said:
That statement is a cop out..and a logical fallacy. You make it sound so flat, shallow and linear..in reality this topic is FAR deeper than that. Sometimes when people call bullsh*t, it is because that is exactly what it is..no ammount of positive thinking is going to make it any less bs. The Secret was IMO just a gross perversion of the whole "think positive" vibe that was targeted to arm chair new agers with money to spend..and of course it was all about getting rich.
It's like an attempt to market watered down esoteric knowledge, in such a way that it actaully makes people stupider IMO.
I actaully feel that there is an agenda behind some of this hip new age stuff, that serves to make people dosile and submissive.It takes away from peoples ability to judge what is real and what is just plastic crap. Wouldn't it be so nice if everyone just thought everything was great and positive reguardless of the reality of the situation?..I am sure there are some people out there who would LOVE for the masses to never call bs on anything.
Enjoy the diversion from reality..
...The peoples opiate?...
The economy is fake and we are living in a monarchy paying it up to lying bankers, corperations and politicians. You want financial stability? Might want to start there. We dont need to think positivly to attract wealth, we just need to cast the bastards of society down off the throne they seem to have claimed they sit on. You can, if you like go read the secret again, skip along down the street happily and turn a blind eye to real problems of our society in an attempt to be "positive"..it wont get us anywhere though.
There are works FAR deeper and far more insightful than this "secret"..
I mean frak man..I knew that positive thinking beat negative thinking on this level when I was in kindergarden. I dont need to buy it as some watered down corperate slogan from this wman with dollar signs glimmering in her eyes.
This whole thing about negative thinking being the reason people find negative patterns is only half true..if you think everything going on in the world is just great than fine..I dont. I see all kinds of scum out there, all kinds of bs crap..scammers. This movie was as shallow and fake as it gets IMO..I actaully watched it comming down from a mushroom trip a few years back and I thought it was rediculous..not because I dont believe in the power of positive thinking(I do), but because I felt this woman was just a fake and there was no real substance about her or this movie..it is a sort of faked spirituality IMO..which is the most discusting kind. Maybe my hightened state had something to do with it, but in that state I saw right through this woman and had no idea why people were praising this piece of crap movie.
Do I believe in the power of positive thinking? Definatily. I think it goes far beyond that and I believe the world would be a much healthier place if we all gave a bit of light away instead of passing around the darkness..
Dont get me wrong..if people get something out of it than that is great. We can all do with more positive vibes on this planet..but when people start then telling me anything I see as negative is only due to my own thought patterns I start to wonder..
..in the end it really is all good..it's all a part of the cosmic game..but that is not really what we talking about here.
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