Characteristics of the voyage inherent within the medicine? Thoughts...

[sunshineandsmiles]

I posted this idea on another topic and thought it might be worthy of further discussion...

Here's what I said to begin with...

"Salvia is not my idea of a worthwhile medicine. It has a very dark character when compared to other medicines...very similar to atropine poisoning (not my idea of a good time either). I'm no chemist but does anyone know whether any of the active constituents, or analogues of the constituents, in S.divinorum are present in Datura? And are they in any way similar to atropine?

Call it a hunch but I'm curious as to whether the characteristics of a voyage are not just dependent upon the person and the environment...but also of the medicine used. And whether it is worthwhile (or not) to the community to organise a list of chemicals which are typically 'dark' in nature.

As always, I am aware that these are speculations at best, thus the request for input. Your thoughts please"

Another member highlighted that mere free-falling voyages without set intentions could be a cause of characteristics becoming darker during a voyage. And that prevention of "nose-diving" takes practice.

But I'm still not so sure whether or not that's true of all medicines...

Please discuss ^^

 

[deweeb]

sunshineandsmiles , since I was the person you quoted as a respondent to your other post
Salvia: Theatre of Life, OBE and Static Man - First steps in Hyperspace - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
a further response here might be helpful to add some further thoughts for this topic .

I used the term "vehicle" for a chosen enthogen figuratively , but also literally for comparison purposes .
You asked ;

Call it a hunch but I'm curious as to whether the characteristics of a voyage are not just dependent upon the person and the environment...but also of the medicine used. And whether it is worthwhile (or not) to the community to organise a list of chemicals which are typically 'dark' in nature.

I believe various medicines/enthogens induce an "altered-state" via many different doorways , just like a vehicle can take you to different destinations .

Using my vehicle analogy , be it a plane , train , or automobile , all will take you "someplace". The destination can be either pre-determined or navigated by the user or left to chance . What "vehicle" you use determines where you start the journey from , and depending on your intent or lack there of , wither you "arrive" unshaken or not .

Just for a comparison lets say salvia is like taking a missile to somewhere , where as dmt is like taking a submarine to somewhere . We can see that the experience of the ride between these two are very different , but neither has to be "dark" .

The input of the individual is of critical importantance . If the submarine is heading into dark waters it is up to the individual to correct the route to a more "pleasent one" . The final destination doesn't change , but the route now altered by the users input , has been modified .

There is no doubt that each enthogen has a certain inherent "characteristic" , but through practice and familiarity with the "vehicle", one can steer away from a "darker" local .
Over time , any particular entheogen can be so altered that the trip taken no longer goes down the same road .

"Let go" journeys can turn unpleasant , try sitting behind a steering wheel of a car and starting down the road without touching the wheel, it is no wonder stressful things happen ! Which is fine if that is what a person wants , but it doesn't have to be that way . By using your intent , you can grab the wheel and steer clear of any roadblocks that may appear .

This method works for myself , now how to actually alter a path and navigate through muddied waters is another topic that would be interesting to look at as well .

 

[sunshineandsmiles]

Indeed deweeb. That would definitely be a topic for further discussion. I like the vehicle analogy. Particularly the reference to S.div. as a missile.
Does it follow that some entheogens are more difficult to 'steer' than others in general? or is that entirely dependant upon the traveller?

Salvia has always been a difficult one to get control of for me. Would it be worthwhile finding out which chemical 'families' I find difficult taking control of rather than simply lumping them into the obscure categories of 'light' and 'dark'? Or is it more worthwhile having more practice with the one's I find difficult?

And are conscious methods of 'steering' similar in any way to methods employed during oneironautic voyages?