Cimora - mixing cacti with other stuff

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First time I tried San Pedro it was a failure more or less. I hiked on mountain and had around 30cm cutting with me. Didn't research completely preparation. Boiled one half and ate the other. Boiled half was boiling for 2 hours on campfire, so it was very weak.
But
I hiked to that mountain to collect belladona and Salvia glutinosa for my garden.

I added few leaves of S. Glutinosa to my brew which I used to help me with eating other half of cactus.

Saw bright flashes of yellow light and had some minor internal hallucinations. Not much but it was fun for hour or two.

Later I tried 30cm boiled for 6 hours but without additives. Completely blew my mind but it wasnt very colorful or hallucinogenic.

Later I made a tea for me and my friends, cant remember the dosage but it was about 25cm for each person lets say but with the addition of 3 leaves Salvia glutinosa per person and a bit of basil.

Here just to report that combination is safe.

I added basil because I read somewhere when I was researching Tagetes lucida that indians would add it to cactus brew to make visions more colorfull. Someone had a theory that it was because of estragole and basil has same compound. (That was my reasoning)

Now I don't know which one is more responsible Salvia or Basil. But mixing them with cacti definitely produced more colorful and intense visions without side effects.

Never tried basil and cacti on its own.

I have Iresine spp and maybe I gather up the courage to use it maybe not. If someone made relationship with spirit of that plant or has any infoo....


Also a question.
On reddit some guy claimed that adding 10 to 30 seeds of syrian rue pushes the experience form ++ to +++. Here I also saw people adding syrian rue but with conflict reports more or less and no mention of dosage. So if anyone has info on that combination I would appreciate it.

Thanks

 

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Yes, some of my best brews have been with admixture plants. Granted, the cactus may have been potent to start with, but - especially if you're using suitable plants gathered from around the brewing site - various positive modulatory effects can be achieved.

One of my personal favourites is lemon balm, since it grows abundantly in my area. Non-indigenous mixtures I'm also fond of include nutmeg and frankincense. For anethole or estragole, you could try using fennel, anise or tarragon.

I'd be interested to know if there are any comprehensive works on cimora admixture plants akin to the extensive documentation there is for ayahuasca. A book recommendation or two would be very welcome!

 

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Please do tell about different effects of different admixtures. I just started mixing cactus with them.

Idk about books but on wiki I found following plants

Neoraimondia arequipensis (syn. N. macrostibas), Brugmansia arborea, Pedilanthus tithymaloides, Datura stramonium and Isotoma longiflora

- Cimora señorita, also known as Iresine herbstii. This plant is traditionally used for the treatment of skin conditions, such as eczemas.[11]

- Cimorilla or timorilla, also known as Coleus blumei (now Coleus scutellarioides). This plant is used externally on inflammation.

Researchers found salvinorin a and b in coleus salvinorin A (6.65 µg/1 g of fresh plant) and salvinorin B (50.46 µg/1 g of fresh plant)
I think Salvia glutinosa has similar quantity of salvinorin as coleus so it logical that it works??


- Cimora macanche, also known as Sanchezia.
- Cimora lanza, also known as Iresine.
- Cimora León also known as Acalypha macrostachya.

I also found this thread today

Cimora brews

Cimora brews sounds quite worthy of a thread. I for one second that interest. I doubt here it will get the attention of those in the esoteric know, but maybe. Am I somewhat ok with saying that this is the San Pedro form of creating Ayahuasca? Admixtures and such? On a recent podcast I heard...

forum.dmt-nexus.me

Here they also speak about potentiating mescaline, but that thread is chaos

smokable lsa's from common house plant!!!

www.shaman-australis.com

I'll summarize all the info eventually

 

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Nice information dump!

Cimora León also known as Acalypha macrostachya

That genus rings a bell. There's a fatty acid amide called acalyphamide from an Indian/southeast Asian species. The plant has analgesic and antidiabetic properties amongst others. I wonder if this South American euphorb has similar biochemistry.

Neoraimondia macrostibas is another mescaline-containing cactus, and Pedilanthus tithymaloides has its own history of use in ayurvedic medicine, pdf here:

https://www.thepharmajournal.com/archives/2019/vol8issue5/PartM/8-5-10-104.pdf

Much of the rest will require some further reading up on, starting with Rätsch' (and Berger's) Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants. There's likely a cimora section in there, come to think of it.