Cleaning Spice

[Yipes]

How necessary is a recrystallization? How many here do it every time?

Lets say a batch was very light yellow, no dark spots at all. Would it really be necessary?

What are some of the benefits and drawbacks of having a pure white product?

Thanks all!

 

[SnozzleBerry]

No it's not necessary if your spice is clean after the first pull. I re-x if there's any foreign particulate matter in my precipitation dish or if for some reason my xtals have degraded/are gooey (I have had nice crystals degrade due to not being stored in a cool enough place). Pure white crystals are a nice "parlor trick" so to speak and will undoubtedly enrapture your you and your friends. White crystals are pointless, imo, as I prefer dmt + dmt n-oxide and full range spice (jungle, jimjam, pick your terms) to pure white crystals. Especially when you are making changa, there's really no point to take all the time and lose whatever yield through re-x if your product doesnt truly need it.

I like to extract white crystals, then oxidize them yellow, or use limonene to extract fullrange, containing all the alks and some oils.

Now, there are people who you will encounter who will blather on and on about white crystals and claim that you don't know what you're doing if you don't extract white crystals. I have encountered these individuals at various parties and if dmt gets brought up, their first question is "But do you know how to make white crystals? I won't touch anything if it's not white. That means that you have chemicals in your dmt and don't know what you're doing or have a bad extraction method". These people are ignorant and have no clue what they're talking about. They've probably read a tek or two or heard people talking and decided that purity = white and anything that's not "pure" is toxic or garbage or a waste, and as long as the coloration is not from your basic solution, that is just wrong. There are a host of alkaloids and oils in mhrb that can have very nice and synergistic effects with dmt when smoked and prevent it from being white. White does equate to pure n,n dmt, but off-white does not equate to toxic chemicals. Non-white spice that is not brown or speckled is probably just laden with other alks or oils in addition to dmt.

peace
SB

 

[Pandora]

Yipes,

I love Snozzleberry, but personally I prefer straight N,N,DMT right now, rather than something with all kinds of other plant alkaloids. This may be changing soon with some upcoming experiments I have planned. . .

Regardless, there is nothing wrong with yellow spice IMO. It is clean, just not super-pure. The impurities are oxides of DMT and/or other plant alkaloids.

It is the brown tones that cry out for washing/recrystallization IMO. I like the appearance of the big crystals when they form, but that is no reason to do this as solvents are involved. Regardless, just like The Traveler, I chop those crystal spears up endlessly to help promote drying/solvent evapping.

Peace & Love,
Pandora

 

[DeMenTed]

I dont have enough experience to fully answer your question but in swims opinion re-x is a must! Some yield is lost but as the cliche goes, you dont want to smoke that anyway.
Pure dmt all the way!!!

Experiment and see if you find it nevessary . peace.

 

[Yipes]

Awesome help guys!

Through experimentation SWIM has found that he prefers the effects of off white spice but was unsure of health concerns. His initial extractions were done with recrystallization after attempting to smoke unrefined spice in an oil pipe and having it RUIN his lungs for a good two days. It seems as if it wasn't the spice itself but the method of smoking that was causing these effects.

Thanks again!
Any more responses are welcome as well!

 

[Bill Cipher]

I always re-x. I prefer the effects, the taste is much better, and to me, it just feels healthier.

But then again, there is always the possiblity that I just like to blather on and on about white crystals and claim that you don't know what you're doing if you don't extract white crystals. Chances are that I'm ignorant and have no clue what I'm talking about. Most likely, I've probably read a tek or two or heard people talking and decided that purity = white and anything that's not "pure" is toxic or garbage or a waste.

 

[Zig]

I love my slightly yellow batch. I have only re-x'ed one time, and that was because i believed the yeild had a bit of lye in it and just did not want to risk adverse effects. Other then that i have had my best experiences from my "Uncleaned" batches.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

I always re-x. I prefer the effects, the taste is much better, and to me, it just feels healthier.

But then again, there is always the possiblity that I just like to blather on and on about white crystals and claim that you don't know what you're doing if you don't extract white crystals. Chances are that I'm ignorant and have no clue what I'm talking about. Most likely, I've probably read a tek or two or heard people talking and decided that purity = white and anything that's not "pure" is toxic or garbage or a waste.

Geez Art, no need to be so on edge, I was referring to idiots in the various drug cultures with little to no dmt experience (I've encountered them through friends, at parties and in other random places), I'm glad you took offense though :roll: (especially as that comment was aimed directly at YOU :roll: ), I'll change my post so as to cause less confusion.

Is it just me or do members of the psychedelic community seem to have egos that are unusually susceptible to bruising?

peace
SB

 

[Nexan1]

swim has extracted pure white crystals, and from the same batch, on later pulls got some slightly yellow/brown material that was crystal in nature, but a little gooey and moist. SWIM started out smoking the pure white stuff, with great results, then ran out and started smoking the slightly off color moist crystals that had a few black spots from catching dust and a little bit of plant matter that he was smoking it with, due to the spice being in an open container. He actually preferred the effects of the off color dmt, it somehow seemed to have a more calming effect, a smoother onset if you will. This could be because swim is getting more comfortable with the effects, or it could be the product. Swim will be doing another extraction soon, and I will ask him to do an experiment of pure white vs off color. if he does it, I will post his results here.

peace and light

 

[Felnik]

I think the color visuals are different with darker spice. They seem to be brighter and different to me than with pure white type of crystals. I'm leaning to the full spectrum stuff these days. Especially in the interest of maximizing the yield potencial. Its all good as far as I'm concerned I also think its usually obvious when it needs to be cleaned.

 

[Bill Cipher]

Geez Art, no need to be so on edge, I was referring to idiots in the various drug cultures with little to no dmt experience (I've encountered them through friends, at parties and in other random places), I'm glad you took offense though :roll: (especially as that comment was aimed directly at YOU :roll: ), I'll change my post so as to cause less confusion.

Is it just me or do members of the psychedelic community seem to have egos that are unusually susceptible to bruising?

peace
SB

I wasn't offended at all actually. I was just having a slow morning, saw the opportunity to fuck with you and ran with it.

All is good. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

 

[Pokey]

Is it just me or do members of the psychedelic community seem to have egos that are unusually susceptible to bruising?

peace
SB

It's just that when the ego keeps getting obliterated, it becomes tender.

Pokey

 

[Yipes]

"It's just that when the ego keeps getting obliterated, it becomes tender."

I would like to think that it would become transparent instead. Tender egos are egos taken too seriously...

 

[shoe]

I always re-x. I prefer the effects, the taste is much better, and to me, it just feels healthier.

But then again, there is always the possiblity that I just like to blather on and on about white crystals and claim that you don't know what you're doing if you don't extract white crystals. Chances are that I'm ignorant and have no clue what I'm talking about. Most likely, I've probably read a tek or two or heard people talking and decided that purity = white and anything that's not "pure" is toxic or garbage or a waste.

Yesssssss Van D'Lay! Thats the attitude. I love antrocles' saying, "purity of intent, purity of extraction". It totally sums it up.

The way I see it, I think anyone who's exploring spice frequently will settle for just anything purer than
tan wax, which does begin to clog the lungs a bit. Whereas people who are exploring the practical side
guddling with the extractions, will prefer to do a rextal until they get the purest stuff they can.

what does everyone think, is that how it is?

 

[Yipes]

It seems very split for sure. I wonder how much of recrystallization preference is placebo. But when it comes to intentions and set, placebo could very well have a strong psychological effect on this experience.

 

[Nexan1]

, placebo could very well have a strong psychological effect on this experience.

most def

 

[ghostman]

It seems very split for sure. I wonder how much of recrystallization preference is placebo. But when it comes to intentions and set, placebo could very well have a strong psychological effect on this experience.

I wonder. I recrystalize only if I suspect any lye soup in my solvent. I have a sep funnel, so it's not often. My spice is light yellow but it all goes into Changa and it certainly does the job.

When I was vaping, I once smoked some orange spice, 60-80mg. Nothing happened, it all went a bit wrong. I was 'told' to clean it, which I did by re-xtalizing. From the clean spice I loaded 30mg and it was one of the strongest journey's I've ever had. Nothing has been that intense.

 

[Praline]

I actually like the yellow stuff..seems smoother on the come up..for me..my first pulls are usually pure white..then later pulls are more yellow..i like to mix them together.. It seems like the longer the solvent sits with the basic mhrb solution, the yellower it gets. The spice makes my lungs hurt a little regardless of the color. As long as you have no obvious dark brown spots, you're safe. As to the effects, thats all subjective.

 

[dtabbler]

just to hop into this, swim re-xtals 3-5 times. 1 is in my opinion a necessity due to the occasional hair or other random object falling into the evap dish. any additional re-xtals are for fun/purity. I know of people who extract and re-xtal just for the enjoyment of it and havent smoked dmt in a long time.