Cold Water + Syrian Rue

[tigerstrike92]

I know that for the most part, the only time one would do a cold water extraction of mimosa hostillis root bark is so that it would be active without an MAOI. So this is what I was thinking: Do a CWE of 11g MHRB. Grind up 3 grams of syrian rue and just mix the powder with applesauce and eat. Then drink the CWE about 30 minutes later. Thoughts?

 

[jamie]

seems like a waste of mimosa to be honest. Why do a cold water extraction if you are going to take rue with it? These things are precious, just seems a waste.

 

[alzabo]

How deep are you trying to go? 11g rootbark is an intense ride, even doing a cold water extraction.

May I suggest something a bit different?
Add 3g ground rue and 5g powdered MHRB to water (you can acidify the water with a bit of lemon, vinegar, or other to help extract the stuff but it's not necessary). Simmer for fifteen minutes. Strain through cloth, squeezing out the liquids.
Heat the liquid in a glass pan until all the water has boiled off, leaving a resin. Scrape that up and either put it in gelcaps or just swallow it in pieces.
What you initially propose will probably work but I get shivers just thinking about eating rue apple sauce.

 

[tigerstrike92]

I have tried the rue applesauce method before, and it's really not as bad as it sounds. Alzabo, your method does seem fairly straight forward and easy. How far might that blast me off? My only questions is that how would I go about heating the liquid in a glass pan? I only have gas stove, so would a teflon pan work?

 

[alzabo]

I use a glass pan that's intended for stove top use. A glass pan that's rated for oven use would work well in the oven but you must watch it closely so that it doesn't burn. A teflon pan might work, depending on how sticky the residue is. You may need to use a knife or razor blade to remove it all. I don't recommend teflon for that reason.

The strength of your product is proportional to the strength of your root bark and your metabolism.
Have you tried this combination before? If so, you probably know better how it will be.
For me, 10g doing cold water extraction is very very intense.

I don't do water extractions anymore though. Now I do an oil extraction and then salt back to water.

Also, check out this other thread. We're discussing similar techniques there.

Hummingbird Tek & Evaporation

 

[tigerstrike92]

That got me thinking. The reason most people do a cold water extraction of MHRB is so that it can work internally with no added MAO (The yuremamine, only extracted from MHRB by a CWE, acts as the MAO). So what if I did a cold alcohol extraction. Lets say 20-40% vodka. So i let the MHRB sit in the vodka for a couple days shaking it every now and again. Then filter the MHRB out, and let the remaining liquid evaporate (not using any heat at all), would the remaining resin (scrapped up and gel-capped) be orally active?

 

[alzabo]

Only one way to find out.
Seriously though, I have no idea. Perhaps someone else knows.

 

[Xt]

What are you hoping to achieve? I just feel like, if you have rue, might aswell do an extraction and avoid the toxic components that lie within.
Then dose with that and a regular brew of mimosa (3 x 30 minute rolling boils).
I cant help feel that would get slightly more consistent results.

 

[ouro]

I've never heard of anyone having success with CWE mimosa without maoi. I'm not saying it wont work, but I am very skeptical. It just seems like baseless wishful thinking.

 

[tigerstrike92]

Sorry, the CWE mimosa without an MAO was just kind of speculation from a side tracked thought. My original question i guess is how the presence of yuremamine (only procurable from a CWE of mimosa) would effect this analogue of ayahuasca:

8-10g CWE Mimosa
3g Syrian Rue

Would the experience be substantially different than a regular mimosa brew?