Cool Ideas about the Conscious Matrix

[cubeananda]

 

[MomentOfTruth]

I've definitely had strong sensations that this reality was some sort of matrix like computer program controlled elsewhere. This feeling always came after some intense glitching had occurred that had me very seriously questioning my surroundings.

However, I would probably reword this post as to indicate that this is actually wild drug induced theory that you came up with, rather than a conclusion that you have decided is probably truth. Its just not likely to be a lasting thread otherwise.

 

[cubeananda]

I completely agree :d

I guess my real aim isn't the idea of factuality behind it, just a nice pleasant way of expressing this common Matrix like Idea.

Thank you for the advice keeping me out of trouble here.

 

[Psychelectric]

On the "reptilian angle" look at our human species. If you look at our evolution we have progressed from fish to amphibian to lizard to mammal (yes thats a very crude explanation of evolution ) If you look at the structure of our brains we have different parts from these species built on top of each other like a totem (a brain totem :want: ). Either way, if I'm not mistaken its the lizard part of our brains that contain the 3nd eye and in fact, if I'm not mistaken lizards have an actual cornea on it. Its this concept that has led to many wild theories about how lizards connect to the esoteric things of this universe.

Also consider this too, when it come to " reptilian humanoids". From what Ive read, people never saw "grey aliens" until after an Outer Limits episode in 1964 (the idea spread as a meme and now people claim to have actually seen them) and people never started theorizing about lizard people disguised as humans (not saying you believe that, but some people do) until after the movie "V". A more common example of this kind of thinking is with the myths concerning "dragons", we commonly view dragons as flying beings that breath fire, when the truth is that all of the dragon mythology surrounds dinosaurs and their bones being found, nothing special at all just a myth that perpetuated. Either way just some food for thought.

Honestly it's a cool idea. It would make a fun Sci Fi story.

And on the matrix side of things I tend to look at the math related to multiple dimensions and would like to think our spirit will ascend to dimensions beyond the third upwards towards the 11th dimension though that's more a math/spiritual enlightenment hybrid. Peace.

 

[cubeananda]

String theory!

I don't know why, I was just walking home kind of mulling and I started thinking about the whole idea of a matrix.

And a thought popped up from somewhere outside of me that said "String Theory."

Anyways I'm glad you bring up that idea, because honestly I think its an idea that been hiding in my subconscious which I've never been able to really comprehend.

What is the difference between the 10th and the 11th dimension? In your eyes of course :thumb_up:

 

[MomentOfTruth]

Check out a book called "The Holographic Universe" by michael talbot if you are into that kind of stuff. Its about breakthroughs in brain science that inadvertently led to the discovery that the universe may operate within a holographic model, that our objective/subjective realities are determined by the way that the brain interprets wave patterns/fluctuations, and that human consiousness and what we perceive as physical matter are intrinsically connected at the most fundamental of levels. The book takes the currently accepted theories in astrophysics, string theory and nueroscience, and ties them together beautifully. If you have any experience with DMT then I can give you a 99% satisfaction guarantee. (meaning that you will thoroughly enjoy it). I seriously cannot recommend this book enough for folks wanting a fresh look at topics that we are all interested in. Based on your line of thinking in this thread I assume it would be one of those books that you'd have a hard time putting down until it was finished. The book wraps up by discussing near death experiences and out of body experiences, which to me was the grand finale.

I'm not here to promote the idea as fact or anything. I just love hearing alternative intepretations of what we already know. Especially when they are able to so effectively merge the worlds of science, spirituality and mysticism into new and thought provoking theories that make alot of sense.

It is jam packed full of well sourced, incredibly unbeleivable information that I had largely dismissed as mystical mumbo jumbo and not scientifically sound. Michael Talbot does it in a very thoughtful that tries to avoid the propagandist approach that we see with authors like Sitchen, Daniken, and perhaps more notably... shows like Ancient Aliens. He isn't claiming to know the truth, but rather he gives repeated examples of phenomena that most scientists/intellectuals won't touch, but that undoubtebly exist in nature and he lets you come to your own conclusions as to whether or not what he is saying makes any sense. Examples of some of the phenomena that he discusses are non locality of information stored in the brain, incredible cases of placebo effect and mind over matter, out of body experiences, near death experiences, remote viewing, psychic phenomena, psychelic research, hypnosis, telekenesis, paranormal activiy, cases of people with superhuman abilities that defy scientific explanation, a higher dimensional universe, perception vs. reality, and quantum entanglement just to name a few. I have to recommend this book to anyone interested in physics AND DMT. It was one of the most incredible books that i've read in a few years honestly and it ties directly into my own personal beleifs and experiences regarding DMT almost seamlessly.

Here is a link to the text if you want to "try before you buy" but you can get a used copy on amazon for $8-10.

The Holographic Universe - Michael Talbot

 

[Jarl Von Hoother]

I don't know so much about life being/reality is an illusion
I know that the thought of it being an illusion
is made so
by the clowns in our minds
and the flying trapeeze artists who follow them
it's all very shakey but the tightrope walker manages
by never looking down
just as soon as the midget is shot from a canon
and the kazoo whistle blows in stride once piercing the tent wall


...sorry what are we talking about?

 

[cubeananda]

Perhaps we have ascended from separation to unity through the 11 dimensions 5 times already?


It seems the intelligence of the whole creation is raised for every ascension through the fractal.

I read a chat quote about how, if you could incarnate into a being 100 light years away, you could essentially watch from a telescope the things that happen on planet earth.

I don't mean to take his jestering so seriously, but I do seriously enjoy the idea of there being a whole bunch of other "mes" typing this in a world that is more essential than physical.

It truly feels like being the source of the carrier wave.

The mathematical approach to the idea of being within a matrix is really resonating with me.

Could our collective spiral of energy be on another scale, just a piece of DNA which contains the whole pattern of our growth as energy beings?

And if that could be replicated then it seems the energy we are used to experiencing, to other beings is actually thousands of times more powerful than we adapted creatures realize.

Thanks for reading


edit: this post was totally inspired by that website in the above post

 

[sekretweapon]

On the "reptilian angle" look at our human species. If you look at our evolution we have progressed from fish to amphibian to lizard to mammal (yes thats a very crude explanation of evolution ) If you look at the structure of our brains we have different parts from these species built on top of each other like a totem (a brain totem :want: ). Either way, if I'm not mistaken its the lizard part of our brains that contain the 3nd eye and in fact, if I'm not mistaken lizards have an actual cornea on it. Its this concept that has led to many wild theories about how lizards connect to the esoteric things of this universe.

Also consider this too, when it come to " reptilian humanoids". From what Ive read, people never saw "grey aliens" until after an Outer Limits episode in 1964 (the idea spread as a meme and now people claim to have actually seen them) and people never started theorizing about lizard people disguised as humans (not saying you believe that, but some people do) until after the movie "V". A more common example of this kind of thinking is with the myths concerning "dragons", we commonly view dragons as flying beings that breath fire, when the truth is that all of the dragon mythology surrounds dinosaurs and their bones being found, nothing special at all just a myth that perpetuated. Either way just some food for thought.

Honestly it's a cool idea. It would make a fun Sci Fi story.

And on the matrix side of things I tend to look at the math related to multiple dimensions and would like to think our spirit will ascend to dimensions beyond the third upwards towards the 11th dimension though that's more a math/spiritual enlightenment hybrid. Peace.

Evolution is a story that I believed in for so many years.

I realize now that, that story was a lie.

We are NOT the first humans to walk this planet.

A better understanding is:

We were given 2 choices, and told to choose - Evolution or Creationism.

But what if both choices were wrong.


Thanks to DMT, I have the freedom to think for myself.

I no longer listen to the System.

 

[Psychelectric]

[

sekretweapon
Evolution is a story that I believed in for so many years.

I realize now that, that story was a lie.

We are NOT the first humans to walk this planet.

A better understanding is:

We were given 2 choices, and told to choose - Evolution or Creationism.

But what if both choices were wrong.


Thanks to DMT, I have the freedom to think for myself.

I no longer listen to the System.

[/quote]

"the System" How over the top. What system are you talking about? There are a lot of "systems" out there.


So if Creationism is not the truth and Evolution is not the truth. What is? I have a tendency to trust the evidence as presented by science such as evolution, multi-dimensionality (as in mathmatics) and big bang astronomical theories. At least to define my reality. But if that is not the truth. What is the truth?

Because, honestly I'm not sure what the truth is. I do feel that the "truth" in all of it's intricacies can't be summed up simply. This is a complex universe and a single human being can't grasp all of the complexities of it at once. Only fragments and peices and sometimes we even get that wrong.

Either way. How do you know that "we are not the first humans to walk this planet". What evidence do you have? That theory seems pretty out there. Remeber people have thought a lot of things, and most of it is probably wrong.

When I was a kid I used to belive that their was a literal boggeyman underneath my bed, but I don't any more. Some people believe that their is an invisible man in the sky commanding them to go to a building and sing hymns every Sunday. Some people believe in Vishnu. Allah. Reptiles disguised as human beings. UFOs. Corporate plots of mass genocide (you know instead of the goal of making money selling products).

We are given a choice, creationism or evolutionism? Not exactly. There are far many more disciplines of science that interplay between what the "universe" is made up of and how it works. Psychology, math, physics, astronomy, medicine, even art. So it's not a one side or the other deal. Evolution only attempts to explain one peice of the puzzle, and that is species diversity on this planet. That's it. That's all there is to evolution. It's like our life is a totem from more primative forms to more complex ones, from bacteria to man, hell you can look at the makeup of the human body and see this. You can see the fish-amphibian-lizard-mammalian brain in our brains using comparative anatomy. You can see it in our genetics.

Do you not trust what can be seen with you're own two eyes?

I believe that their is more out there than this perception of reality, but that doesn't mean that I deny this reality.


What has DMT told you? After all if you have the "truth" (or your biased version of it) why don't you tell the world. We all have ideas of the grand scheme of the universe, and chances are that if we try to sum it up we will all be wrong. Because the human mind can not grasp all of the nuances of this universe in a single thought.

 

[cubeananda]

Just my opinion :roll:

It seems that instead of both evolutionism and creationism being wrong, they actually have the potential to work together in some way.


Like Meher Baba talked about the progression of the soul through various stages of consciousness, it seems that human beings are at an extremely profound point

Ranging from Stone, to plant to worm to fish, etc



It seems the forms are actually dependent upon the energy of the consciousness which these forms represent.

Like if we were to apply string theory to the ideas I presented, in a sense "Reptillian" could mean looking through the eyes of "Ego" a less advanced form of consciousness within our subtle sphere of current consciousness.

Looking through the eyes of human being (and this is only my experience) feels much lighter and makes all the colors brighter and allows the senses to be sharper.

Perhaps it is even possible to develop consciousness to manifest Cat-like qualities, and upon death, your form has no choice but to be represented by "cat" in consensus reality.

Maybe even Cat humanoid, if evolution and the slaughterhouse of dinosaurs killing eachother can essentially happen in a single moment.

Instead of there needing to actually be Machines farming these lizards, in a sense there is just another planet with all the exact same occurrances happening, and it is completely dependant upon the actions of the beings on this plane.
Like if you consider the hindu mythology of the Naga.

A plane lower than ours that actually supports it. Like we need all of the egoistic drives which have shapes our history and our current moment in order to have the existence which is.

 

[*oneironaut*]

Check out a book called "The Holographic Universe" by michael talbot if you are into that kind of stuff. Its about breakthroughs in brain science that inadvertently led to the discovery that the universe may operate within a holographic model, that our objective/subjective realities are determined by the way that the brain interprets wave patterns/fluctuations, and that human consiousness and what we perceive as physical matter are intrinsically connected at the most fundamental of levels. The book takes the currently accepted theories in astrophysics, string theory and nueroscience, and ties them together beautifully. If you have any experience with DMT then I can give you a 99% satisfaction guarantee. (meaning that you will thoroughly enjoy it). I seriously cannot recommend this book enough for folks wanting a fresh look at topics that we are all interested in. Based on your line of thinking in this thread I assume it would be one of those books that you'd have a hard time putting down until it was finished. The book wraps up by discussing near death experiences and out of body experiences, which to me was the grand finale.

I'm not here to promote the idea as fact or anything. I just love hearing alternative intepretations of what we already know. Especially when they are able to so effectively merge the worlds of science, spirituality and mysticism into new and thought provoking theories that make alot of sense.

It is jam packed full of well sourced, incredibly unbeleivable information that I had largely dismissed as mystical mumbo jumbo and not scientifically sound. Michael Talbot does it in a very thoughtful that tries to avoid the propagandist approach that we see with authors like Sitchen, Daniken, and perhaps more notably... shows like Ancient Aliens. He isn't claiming to know the truth, but rather he gives repeated examples of phenomena that most scientists/intellectuals won't touch, but that undoubtebly exist in nature and he lets you come to your own conclusions as to whether or not what he is saying makes any sense. Examples of some of the phenomena that he discusses are non locality of information stored in the brain, incredible cases of placebo effect and mind over matter, out of body experiences, near death experiences, remote viewing, psychic phenomena, psychelic research, hypnosis, telekenesis, paranormal activiy, cases of people with superhuman abilities that defy scientific explanation, a higher dimensional universe, perception vs. reality, and quantum entanglement just to name a few. I have to recommend this book to anyone interested in physics AND DMT. It was one of the most incredible books that i've read in a few years honestly and it ties directly into my own personal beleifs and experiences regarding DMT almost seamlessly.

Here is a link to the text if you want to "try before you buy" but you can get a used copy on amazon for $8-10.


The Holographic Universe - Michael Talbot

Thanks Moment, I've been meaning to get this book and now you were the final nudge for me to order it... can't wait to read it

 

[hixidom]

That book changed the course of my life, and my thoughts and worldview were heavily influenced by it for several years, but when I actually looked into many of the references, most of them turned out to be highly anecdotal if not misunderstood altogether. This was all before I knew anything about psychedelics. After learning a ton about psychedelics, physics, and myself, my opinion is that The Holographic Universe proposes an idea that makes perfect sense if you're willing to fully believe in events and phenomena that you haven't experienced firsthand, but I've found that such ideas are not nearly as believable, coherent, or consistent with my own personal experiences as ideas that I have put together from scratch. If anything, I consider The Holographic Universe to be a beautiful example of the ability of intelligent beings to find hypothetical patterns and connections where there probably are none.

On string theory:
There are no shortcuts in understanding physics concepts. If you're not one of the 1000 or so people in the world with the technical background needed to understand string theory, then you don't understand string theory well enough to incorporate it in the matrix theory. If all you need is the extra dimensions, then why not just take those instead of inheriting aspects of string that you neither understand nor need?

 

[cubeananda]

Very good point, Hixidom

I dont really understand string theory, but I do operate under the assumption that somehow it DOES apply to the reality of the evolution of consciousness being separate from the evolution of organic material which the level of consciousness seems to crystallize into.


I generally have to accept that the words I'm using are not presice mathematical language.

It is not my role in this universe to formulate the mathematics behind it, merely to show that by evolving the consciousness, it seems possible that if one doesn't alltogether escape the nessecity for a new material form, there is a level above ours which provides the perfect environment to evolve consciousness to such a point.



This planet Earth seems to be the convergence between pieces of god-consciousness that simply don't care for their ability to form a "light-body", and pieces of god-consciousness who have even the slightest desire to ascend.

It seems likely that low enough "souls" (for lack of a better term) could escape this planet and just participate in an Eons long sleep cycle, collecting small amounts of divine love over time, and when those souls eventually do have to materialize into a waking-responsive form, there is more consciuosness for them to work with and grow with.

While High enough consciousnesses have the ability to escape this planet and participate in a commune who's aims are to form light beings, and feed the benevolent entities which guide us humble humans.

I recall the Socratic Idea where naturally, the universe, the microcosmos man, the society even will all have to choose what is "Good" eventually.

But at this moment we are all of different understandings and have different backgrounds. Many who take advantage of the current technology ; video cameras, the internet, recordable data using computers, the ability to transmit light over through some sort of light (such as many artists and writers, and the people wearing suits funding it all) can only be blamed if one's understanding is not at a high enough level.

While one who seems to feel negative about the media's role cannot be blamed for not having a high enough understanding to accept their role in our Ecosystem of conscious entities.


From the perspective of "God" its basically a slow-sustained release of constantly realizing how powerful itself is, instead of it happenning all at once, the mechanism has been designed BY God's "denizens" in order to "please" atma, from our perspective, its completely subjective and could seem a dark plot or could seem absolutely divine and lovely.

 

[hixidom]

I'm truly sorry if I came off as a dick in that post. What I was trying to say was that I find such theories to be most sincere when they are created from scratch, like this one:

It seems likely that low enough "souls" (for lack of a better term) could escape this planet and just participate in an Eons long sleep cycle, collecting small amounts of divine love over time, and when those souls eventually do have to materialize into a waking-responsive form, there is more consciuosness for them to work with and grow with.

That's beautiful. I find that sort of theory to be MORE coherent than one that involves, for example, string theory simply because when I hear the phrase "string theory", I am inclined to remember how little I know about the theory that that phrase represents.

But also, is it truly possible to create a theory from scratch? Where do we start? Do we have to reinvent language, mathematics, etc? It may be more "sincere" to create a theory from scratch, but I'll admit that it certainly isn't the most efficient way to communicate one's beliefs, which is usually the goal.

 

[cubeananda]

My feelings on the matter are like, when you die you die, and whatever the truth is will be apparent.

I generally buy into the zen idea of Awareness and non-judgement/non-entanglement of one's own thoughts or the external world.

In my experience, the whole universe is like a tree, and the Seed is represented in the world of forms as our Pineal Gland.

The "path" is the spine.

The "narrow gate" is the throat chakra leading into the 33rd vertebrae. And with enough awareness of our energy forms instead of our physical forms, The energy then 'drips' down from third eye once it has been collected into the "Holy Grail" of our hearts.

To fill the heart is to esablish like a permanent circuit between the heart and the third eye, with energy moving to the Sex Chakras only if Intended.


When the energy cycles in such a manner it is actually possible to have larger sexual orgasms, and to have sex without losing awareness.

It is possible to breathe with full awareness and to be aware of the golden points between each breath.

No need for theories, just be aware and know that Death comes at exactly the right moment for ascending souls. of course these are my opinions which I've pulled out of the ideasphere of our world, I would never take credit for them and at the same time I cannot say they are facts of any sort.

 

[sekretweapon]

Psychs quote -

"So if Creationism is not the truth and Evolution is not the truth. What is? I have a tendency to trust the evidence as presented by science such as evolution, multi-dimensionality (as in mathmatics) and big bang astronomical theories. At least to define my reality. But if that is not the truth. What is the truth?

Because, honestly I'm not sure what the truth is. I do feel that the "truth" in all of it's intricacies can't be summed up simply. This is a complex universe and a single human being can't grasp all of the complexities of it at once. Only fragments and peices and sometimes we even get that wrong.

Either way. How do you know that "we are not the first humans to walk this planet". What evidence do you have? That theory seems pretty out there. Remeber people have thought a lot of things, and most of it is probably wrong."


Think a blossoming dandelion. Every spring it flowers, blooms and her cottony kites take to the sky. Now think of earth and her civilizations the same way. Other civilizations have inhabited this planet; then blossomed and ascended. Leaving the earth virgin and ready for her next series of inhabitants.

Observe Yogaguni

There are HUNDREDS of such archeological sights on our planet.

And yes I do realize that this archeology is Incongruent with what we have been taught by "science".

The conclusion is SIMPLE; we have have been bullshitted.

When I discovered the many artifacts of past civilization that litter the earth, I was amazed because it is amazing.., then i got pissed because these sites signify another thing - that we have been lied to.

But it is ok because the truth will come out, and this will happen soon.

 

[cubeananda]

 

[cubeananda]

 

[Psychelectric]

Think a blossoming dandelion. Every spring it flowers, blooms and her cottony kites take to the sky. Now think of earth and her civilizations the same way. Other civilizations have inhabited this planet; then blossomed and ascended. Leaving the earth virgin and ready for her next series of inhabitants.

Observe Yogaguni

There are HUNDREDS of such archeological sights on our planet.

And yes I do realize that this archeology is Incongruent with what we have been taught by "science".

The conclusion is SIMPLE; we have have been bullshitted.

When I discovered the many artifacts of past civilization that litter the earth, I was amazed because it is amazing.., then i got pissed because these sites signify another thing - that we have been lied to.

But it is ok because the truth will come out, and this will happen soon.

While your dandelion metaphor is beautiful, that doesn't mean it's right.
The pyramids of Yogaguni are somewhat of a mystery as they are very difficult to investigate. Here's a hint, they're underwater. And those investigating them are trying to figure out what's going on. But they do know at least one thing, it's in Japan which is one of the most volitile regions of the world. Think Tsunamis and Earthquakes. Maybe that will clue you on those "pyramids" and why its underwater. Also just to clear it up it's not "Atlantis". Atlantis was a thought experiment by Plato. Alantis never existed. The pyramids at Yoaguni are a mystery, sure, but that doesn't mean a mysterious race of superhumans built them and then left the planet so that we could look at an esoteric pile of rocks.

Futhermore, I'm sure that you believe that these sort of people also built the pryamids of Egypt. As you strike me as the type who watches too much "Ancient Aliens" Sci Fi TV Shows and not enough time reading real books. Here's a clue. PEOPLE built the pyramids of with very simple tools. There is mountains of evidence on this, there is a quarry right by the site and a French Egyptologist has discovered the best theory on how the pyramids were built. Not that you mentioned the Eygptian pyramids, but I figured your cracked theory might apply to all of them. Likewise, why did a lot of ancient civilizations build pyramids? Well why do modern societies typically build skyscrapers? I don't know. But the pyramid is kind of a basic geometrical shape, and spiritually the pyramid is also very very symbolic. SO my guess is that ancient people built pryamids for this significance. Of course that's just my guess, you should peobably ask an anthropologist who studies this sort of thing for a living, but I'm sure you won't because you don't trust people who spend there lives researching and studying things (ie real scientists).

Have you ever met a scientist? Been in a lab? If they're bullshitting us, they really are putting in a lot of money time and resources just to fuck with us.

My guess is that you are not a geologist or an archeologist, because lets face it. You don't trust "science". But cmon you had to use a computer to get to this website, and if someone didn't have an understanding of electrical currents, metallurgy, and other various disciplines then you wouldn't be here on this site. OF course it's very possible that aliens built the hyper advanced computer that you're using and brainwashed the people of the Dell corporation into selling it to you.

Sorry about I'm being a smartass here, but I do trust "science", it's brought us a greater understanding of this universe, enrished our lives, created better medicine, and taught us about our past.

There's a quote on the truth. "Finding the truth is easy, the hard part is accepting it"

I hope one day that you will accept the truths about reality, but until that day, I pity you. I truly do. Because life on earth and it's poerty is so beaitiful without having to come up with silly stories to explain it. You are just not educated enough on these matters and the fact that you don't trust educational institutions to teach you "science", means that you've already shut yourself off from reality. My hope is that you'll come back and see the truth. Until then your language is just the ramblings of another schizotypal and it saddens me to read.