crystals melting

[AIRDOG]

Hi nexians!!! wonderful knowledge you have here... i would love to get a full membership... but im being kind of lazy to make my essay did one but did not get anything... anyway... I

Im facing a problem.... have made several extractions.... im using some gerber 50 ml containers to freeze precipitate.... and get nice crystals.... I pour excess naptha and quickly put the container back in the frezeer upside down to have naptha run down for 24+ hours... but i always experience the crystals melting afterwards when i put them infront of a fan... like naptha just dont drip and turn my crystals to goo... turning everything yellow and detroying my re-x attempts...

i have been using cyb max ion tek, but i hate to have my awesome xtals just melt to shit again and again even when im decanting all naptha and putting my containers upside down.... it really sucks big time...

what i can do to bring them to nice xtal consistency to store the product... getting kinda angry and desperate because its like naptha gets kinda not flowing and wont run down the gerber container and keeping attached to xtals... melting them when i ger them out of freezer even if i placed upside down so naph can run down....

this is killing my nerve.... will this never get solid or what..??? I had nice white crystals but it then turns to goo and it sucks im desperate... i dont want to evap to get goo... really

 

[HumbleTraveler]

Ideally you want a still room temperature or cooler environment with moderate to low humidity to guarantee your crystals stay solid.

Thats my best advice. If theyre still melting, you either need to leave them in the freezer a little longer and then perhaps transfer them to the fridge so that any remaining naphtha can further evap itself off, and then place them in front of a fan for a little while.

Or theyre really just not meant to be xtals

 

[AIRDOG]

I have food in the fridge so evaping inside it its not an option... btw i leave my containers upside down inside the freezer for 24+ hours and the naptha seem to just stick to them xtals... never to flow... im gonna try leaving them upside down inside the fridge as yoiu say

 

[awooga]

My 2cents: Try making your freezer colder if you can. More xtals will stick to the glass and less dissolve IMHO.

When I remove I tilt the freeze precip tray 45 degrees collect the naphtha into a small cup and leave the container to dry out on its own. Using a fan has only ever caused me problems - I prefer just leaving outdoors against a wall where there is plenty of airflow.

Failing that, the dreaded issue is that what you've got is ice crystals ... and they'll melt every time.

Good luck

 

[DansMaTete]

I just had the same problem.
Usualy, living the container upside down in the freezer after pouring naphta is a good tek but this time it didn't work. I think it's because of heat (here it's 35°C)because when it's winter i don't have this problem.

What i did : after freeze precipitation, xtals turned in goo, so i let remaining naphta evaporate at room temp and then put the goo in fridge. It xtallized (not fluffy xtals but a coat with xtal designs like frozen water), then out of fridge and let it finish to xtalise for 24h (you can see the designs change). Then scrap and powderized to evaporate any solvent left in it.



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[Adjhart]

Why don't you just immediately put the dishes sideways in front of a fan?

After you pour off naphtha, immediately put them under the fan to quickly evap all of the remaining naphtha that isn't running off.

In 20 minutes your crystals will be dry and the smell of the solvent should be gone.

That's how I do it anyway - with Cyb's Hybrid Salt Tek, after 12-18 hours freeze precip.

The crystals go from looking like picture 1 to looking like picture 2 in 20 minutes directly under a fan.

A thin film of goo remains (as you can see in the left side of picture 2), but you can usually knock the crystals together before scraping up the goo.

Hope this helps :thumb_up:

 

[AIRDOG]

Why don't you just immediately put the dishes sideways in front of a fan?

After you pour off naphtha, immediately put them under the fan to quickly evap all of the remaining naphtha that isn't running off.

Hope this helps :thumb_up:

that is what i did.... and it melted... its very hot around here and that naptha doesnt evaporate so quickly... look at this flasks... they have been upside down for 24+ hours and the xtals look really wet of naptha

 

[cyb]

look at this flasks... they have been upside down for 24+ hours and the xtals look really wet of naptha

It's not wet...it's clear oil (DMT)

scrape it! vape it!


PS. Cold Fan! and how's it supposed to evaporate if the lid is on and it's upside down?

 

[AIRDOG]

PS. Cold Fan! and how's it supposed to evaporate if the lid is on and it's upside down?

hehehe I devised this setup but it seems like it wont evaporate.... maybe to small surface area or cannot evaporate because the naptha vapors go up and the flask is sideways??? thus just concensing in the side at the top??? I placed the pellon fabric so dust or debris wont come inside the jar... those are in front of a very strong fan...

 

[Du57mi73]

Are you sure that your solvent is clean? Have you checked the MSDS for your brand of solvent that you used?

 

[AIRDOG]

Are you sure that your solvent is clean? Have you checked the MSDS for your brand of solvent that you used?

i get bulk solvent from a big chem supplier they sell all kinda stuff for pools and soap making, they have 55 gallon drums i dont know the brand... it evaporates cleanly with no residues whatsoever....

 

[Du57mi73]

What came of this?

 

[Earthwalker]

What came of this?

It wouldn't matter what kind of solvent his using because his covering the open end of the jars not allowing the naphtha fumes and

residue to escape fully before the crystals and naps temp reaching equilibrium !! And I really have a hard time understanding why

on earth do ppl use jars and other means that make it hard to scrap efficiently !!

 

[Du57mi73]

I freeze in a jar because it is alot easier to keep it air tight and not contaminate food.

 

[desal]

I freeze in a deep freezer set to the coldest setting. I find a deep freezer is best to work with because you can open the jars in the freezer, and work with your hands in the freezer without removing them. I freeze in these, pyrex with lids:

I use the round ones, but the square ones are easier to scrape. The lid prevents moisture from getting in the pyrex and forming ice crystals, also prevents solvent smell from getting everywhere. The straight sides make it easier to scrape crystals and pour off solvent. They are stackable, and cheap. Also, the surface area is good for evapping a little bit of the solvent off before freeze precipitation, saturating the solvent. They claim to be able to handle some heat, as long as you don't go from extreme heat to extreme cold, but I don't use them to heat anything up with.

But, instead of pouring off the solvent after 12-18 hours in the freezer, I open the lids still in the freezer, and tilt to one side so all the solvent pools up, and then I use a 10mL glass pipette with an eyedropper bulb attached to it to pull as much solvent as possible off into a separate jar.

The C212 one, 1OZ I believe.

Then, after I have all the naphtha in a separate jar, I will tip the pyrex dish over the top of the naphtha jar to catch any remaining drops, and then set the pyrex dish with crystals upside down in the freezer, on it's lid, so any remaining naphtha can drip off onto the lid without losing crystals, OR, I will immediately place the dish on it's side in front of a fan blowing directly into the dish on the fan's highest speed setting. I will sit with it and rotate the dish every so often to make sure all drips are taken care of. This will dry the crystals and then you can scrape them / any goo up and put it onto another dish to dry out even more if necessary. I usually scrape them onto another dish and let them dry out a little more before I combine and re-crystallize. There will be condensation this way, but the fan will dry it all, provided you get it in front of a fan AS SOON AS you pull it out of the freezer.


Looking at the pics you posted, I would agree with the rest of the team, it doesn't look like there is any airflow going on to help the crystals dry out, and you need airflow to evap the naphtha in the first place. You say it is hot there, that is a good thing, it will help speed up evaporation, as long as there is air to pull the fumes away. Open up the jars, place them on their side in front of a fan blowing air directly into the jars, this will help dry them. I would rotate every 5 minutes or so to get an even dry, but it's not necessary. In the future I would do this IMMEDIATELY after pulling the jars out of the freezer. Have a fan right next to the freezer if you can. I have a table set up next to a window and open up the window, with the jar sitting on it's side in front of the window, and have the fan facing the jar, also facing the open window, blowing air in the jar, outside the window as well, for fresh air circulation.

 

[AIRDOG]

they have turned out well... its just a funny taste i get while i vaporize it.... its kinda spicy... is that dmt taste or its from solvent???

 

[desal]

Do you smell any solvent on the crystals / in the jar? You should be able to smell any if there is any solvent left over.

Also be sure that you are holding the heat source far enough away to vaporize the crystals without burning them, burning them will cause a nasty taste.

 

[Du57mi73]

Spicy in what way? DMT should smell semi floral, with a hint of plastic.

Solvents taste like.. solvents. I doubt thats what youre tasting.

 

[Tinkabell]

they have turned out well... its just a funny taste i get while i vaporize it.... its kinda spicy... is that dmt taste or its from solvent???

How bigs the jars ? It doesn't look like there's enough there for a decent dose really ! Are you sure you've got quality bark !:?:

 

[explorer7]

they have turned out well... its just a funny taste i get while i vaporize it.... its kinda spicy... is that dmt taste or its from solvent???

airdog, i'm having the exact same problem!
this is my first ever extraction and everything worked perfectly till the drying part
here what mine look like now

@Earthwalker, i will never use jars again
@desal, going forward i'm following your tek, this looks sharp

@ airdog, so how did you get them dry?

all help welcomed
thank you nexians