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Potentially deadly! Datura seeds for lucid dreaming?

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Schahin92

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So dear community.

I read a story of taking low amounts of Datura seeds around 1-3 or 1-5 to have instant vivid and lucid dreaming at night.

What experiences have you done and is it really safe? Could there be variying potencies that do induce delirium if the seeds are too potent?
 
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northape said:
I feel that even DMT/mushrooms could more easily produce lucid dreams in the weeks after use.
After a few days of 1-2 Datura seeds before sleep, I started to get the usual side effects from tropanes: dry mouth and problems with motor skills.
So, everyone is unique in their reaction. I seem to be very sensitive to Datura. Huperzine A is a much better and safer candidate to induce lucid dreaming.
Beware, long-term use of Huperzine A leads to constipation. I found that out the hard way 🤣

Edit: Never forget the best lucid dream inducer: good quality tobacco ;)
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I cant endure tobacco smoke though
 
northape said:
I'll give a more general idea to you, @Schahin92:
To get lucidity in your sleep, you need a lot of acetylcholine in your system. For this, there are cholinergic compounds like Huperzine A or tobacco. Datura has tropane alkaloids that work the other way around; they tend to create a dream headspace with a lack of lucidity. Heavy doses of Datura usually lead to amnesia or a loss of memory of the experience. So you can easily deduce for yourself what Datura would bring.
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Actually I found out about the lucid dream of Datura seeds when a friend told me that the scent of Brugamansiu flowers in your bedroom induce lucid dreaming, they are a similar species I suppose.
I researched and indeed lots of people have lucid dreams with the brugmansia flowers, some have good ones, some rather dark ones.
 
Schahin92 said:
Actually I found out about the lucid dream of Datura seeds when a friend told me that the scent of Brugamansiu flowers in your bedroom induce lucid dreaming, they are a similar species I suppose.
I researched and indeed lots of people have lucid dreams with the brugmansia flowers, some have good ones, some rather dark ones.
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Lot of people report that scent of Brugmansia flowers help with lucid dreams. It's probably different mechanism of action, something else, not tropanes.
 
Schahin92 said:
I cant endure tobacco smoke though
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Hope or snuff, nicotine patches - there are lots of ways.
Schahin92 said:
friend told me that the scent of Brugamansiu flowers in your bedroom induce lucid dreaming
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That's a common practice in shamanism to connect with Datura's spirit, and a much healthier approach than ingesting the seeds. Grow your own Brugmansia.
doubledog said:
I like this thread. 😉
This year is probably the year of Datura, at least here, it is growing everywhere in enormous quantities which I've never seen before.
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It's a sign 🙏
 
northape said:
Hope or snuff, nicotine patches - there are lots of ways.

That's a common practice in shamanism to connect with Datura's spirit, and a much healthier approach than ingesting the seeds. Grow your own Brugmansia.

It's a sign 🙏
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Yeah of course It would be great to hear different experiences with the brugmansia flower scent. I can create a separate thread about that too
 
northape said:
Hope or snuff, nicotine patches - there are lots of ways.

That's a common practice in shamanism to connect with Datura's spirit, and a much healthier approach than ingesting the seeds. Grow your own Brugmansia.

It's a sign 🙏
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Actually I have several different Rapes at home, they are supposed to be from the amazon tribe I cannot remember their name.
Currently I have been battling a dry nose which occasionaly gets moist, so I dont know if I will take them. But out of curiosity, how do you use it for lucid dreaming?
 
Schahin92 said:
Actually I have several different Rapes at home, they are supposed to be from the amazon tribe I cannot remember their name.
Currently I have been battling a dry nose which occasionaly gets moist, so I dont know if I will take them. But out of curiosity, how do you use it for lucid dreaming?
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Just use rapéh a few hours before sleep. It modulates your cholinergic system and gives more clarity in dreams.
Tobacco teaches you through dreams. That's how the spirit works with humans.
 
northape said:
I doubt that you will get many reports. Wherever I heard sound advice about Datura, it was to just smell it.

The smell is intoxicating, by the way :love:
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Second that! When my brugmansias are flowering the scent can be overwhelming - it's even penetrated a closed door and permeated my house from outdoors.
 
Here henbane was used to treat cow teats when they were inflamed or painful. They used to fry them in olive oil and use the oil as an ointment. Of course this is not adequate for human use, but it's more evidence of the pain-relieving effects of the deliriant solanaceae.

Interestingly, henbane is called "beleño" here, a name of uncertain etymology that could trace back to Belenus:
The Gaulish term belenuntia (Βελενούντιαν), designating the henbane, a hallucinogenic plant also known in Latin as apollinaris, may be a derivative form of Belenos. The variant belenion, cited as a poisonous plant by Pseudo-Aristotle, appears to be the source of the Spanish beleño ('henbane').
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I used to grow Datura inoxia for a number of years. I found some growing in front of a dumpy house on the side of a highway one sunny, hot summer day, took its seeds and started growing plants of my own. The flowers are awesome looking and and gently sweet smelling. It's a really nice plant to have in your garden!

I've tried smoking both flower and foliage with minimal effect. I thought it tasted nasty, and only tried the experiment less than a handful of times. The taste was that bad!

For me, 3 seeds would put me to bed; 5-7 seeds would put me into a deep, dreamless slumber for 7-8 hours, after which I'd wake up feeling recharged and completely refreshed. I once tried 11-12 seeds; I fell into a deep sleep and woke up maybe 10 hours later feeling groggy.

Datura never had an entheogenic effect on me, and I refused to take a higher dose pending what I'd read concerning the Jamestown settlers back in the 1600s, as well as modern reports about talking to dead relatives or living friends who looked and sounded like they were there, but weren't. Smoking a phantom cigarette while talking to a deceased uncle sounds cool – but not for four days, along with the residual inability to focus your eyes properly for over a week. And then there's that report where a young dude partook of datura tea while at home with his mum, whom he walked past on his way to the tool shed in the backyard, where he cut off his penis.
 
TheGreenPhantom said:
I used to grow Datura inoxia for a number of years. I found some growing in front of a dumpy house on the side of a highway one sunny, hot summer day, took its seeds and started growing plants of my own. The flowers are awesome looking and and gently sweet smelling. It's a really nice plant to have in your garden!

I've tried smoking both flower and foliage with minimal effect. I thought it tasted nasty, and only tried the experiment less than a handful of times. The taste was that bad!

For me, 3 seeds would put me to bed; 5-7 seeds would put me into a deep, dreamless slumber for 7-8 hours, after which I'd wake up feeling recharged and completely refreshed. I once tried 11-12 seeds; I fell into a deep sleep and woke up maybe 10 hours later feeling groggy.

Datura never had an entheogenic effect on me, and I refused to take a higher dose pending what I'd read concerning the Jamestown settlers back in the 1600s, as well as modern reports about talking to dead relatives or living friends who looked and sounded like they were there, but weren't. Smoking a phantom cigarette while talking to a deceased uncle sounds cool – but not for four days, along with the residual inability to focus your eyes properly for over a week. And then there's that report where a young dude partook of datura tea while at home with his mum, whom he walked past on his way to the tool shed in the backyard, where he cut off his penis.
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You get a cutting of the flowers in your bedroom and have the scent there your sleep to see what effects it induces.
 
Schahin92 said:
You get a cutting of the flowers in your bedroom and have the scent there your sleep to see what effects it induces.
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I get pretty crazy dreams most nights anyhow, so it's a bit difficult to establish a baseline! Maybe I'll try next time one of the plants blooms, although I'm not sure how Mrs. T would feel about that. The gingerbread scent is wonderful in passing, but in an enclosed space it can cause headaches.
 
northape said:
Never forget the best lucid dream inducer: good quality tobacco ;)
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Ah!! Very interesting! Explains a lot. ;)

Schahin92 said:
How vivid was the dream though, what was the difference to a normal dream state?
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I've been lucidly dreaming for at least 15 years. Comparing 'normal' dreaming and lucid dreaming has nothing really to do with vividness. Having a high fever with the flu, for instance, can easily induce dreams so vivid they are disturbing. Luckily, they quickly fade when the sun comes up.

Lucid dreams, on the other hand, do not fade and if pondered upon, just like any other event in waking life, become an integral part of one's remembered experiences.
There is amazing detail present and after a while, a sort of consistency in environments and even continued 'storylines,,' for a lack of a better word.

Some differences I've experienced:
incredible detail (even down to outlets, baseboards, bugs, leaves, etc)
experiencing all 5 physical senses plus a few things that I did not realize were sensations
being totally aware of my waking life and all its details - evidenced by my often telling someone in a dream about what happened in the waking world or about a personal situation or circumstance, etc.
I can interact with objects, manipulate them - pick them up, move them, FEEL them

Mainly, it turns you from audience to actor, if that makes sense.

It is all about bringing awareness into a personal realm that almost totally lacks awareness...and then it becomes evident that it is not a personal realm but a shared one. Our lack of awareness fools our sleeping mind into thinking we are there all alone with our own constructs.

Awareness is like a muscle and it is an ability. If you exercise awareness, it will get stronger and will become something you can direct with intention. Many people desire to lucid dream in order to perhaps remain 'awake' when they cross over from life to death (so-called). DMT is perhaps another facet of the same goal for many.
For me, it is all about adventure but then again, crossing over is one of the biggest possible adventures a soul has!
 
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