Dealing with Nausea

[Dr. Illusion]

So, my wife has yet to hold down enough magic for long enough to get a decent oral DMT experience. I'm hoping someone can give me some advice.

We tried taking ground syrian rue in gelcaps, freebase DMT dissolved in lemon juice. I had no nausea at all and had a hell of a ride, she threw it all up and just got very light visuals.

Tried boiling ACRB and Rue together to make anahuasca, I got a decent trip and she threw it all up.

I boiled 15g of powdered Rue (in acidified water) and then evaporated it, put the resulting powder/goo into pills. We each took 3. She vomited within 10 minutes or so. I actually started tripping just off the Rue, then we drank DMT dissolved in lemonade. She then threw that up, as well. I never vomited and had one of the most intense experiences of my life.

So, having tried all of these methods, I'm now attempting a cold water extraction of the Rue, for her. I love it in the boiled/evaped form and will be sticking with that.

Will a CWE reduce her nausea so she can actually have a strong experience? Anyone have any advice to help with this?

Maybe I just have an iron stomach, but even on Ayahuasca I've never vomited. Never even felt the desire to. Just for a little more info, she also vomits on shrooms, but she can hold it in long enough to get a good trip. She also vomited on mescaline and LSA.

I'm going to be trying to give her a good trip this weekend, along with my best friend who will be a 1st timer on DMT but he's done lots of shrooms with me and I know he can hold anything down that I can.

Will doing a CWE be enough? All input is welcome, I really want her to experience what I've been experiencing. Thanks in advance for any help.

-Doc

 

[FLeP]

No, she's a puker. I doubt a CWE is going to help. You should do an extraction on the Rue. It's a little bit of a chore but it will be fun and the result will be great for her. Are you using fresh, hot lemon juice to dissolve the DMT and convert it to a citrate? You can also purchase extracted harmalas on the internet. These will still need to be dissolved in hot lemon juice if they are in freebase form or more puke will follow. Hot, fresh lemon juice will give a tolerable form of DMT and harmalas. Stir 'em in there good even after they seem dissolved.

She could also preload some ginger tea or lemon essential oil or something like that. Could help.

 

[travsha]

What if she ingests just a little bit at a time? Especially if you are doing gel caps this would be pretty easy since you dont have to choke down a gross tea multiple times... Maybe she can try and ingest her dose slow over an hour or two? She would have a slower gentler come-up as well, which might be nice...

She really only needs to hold it in long enough for most of it to digest - even 40 minutes should be enough, and 30 minutes might be enough if she has an empty stomach.

Also - you didnt mention what you guys are eating, but dieting beforehand and having an empty stomach would probably help. For most people this makes things much easier. For a few people it actually helps to have a little food in the belly, but these people are the exceptions - most people do better with an empty stomach. I even stop drinking water an hour before and I dont drink water till 3-4 hours into ceremony usually.... Sometimes drinking water during can make you puke.

I have drank Ayahuasca (never tried rue) after only 1 day of dieting, but usually I diet a week ahead. Dieting makes for less puking and a deeper ceremony.

 

[Jees]

You should do an extraction on the Rue...

Yes, make rueHCL mate, gelcap that for her. And I'd mention it again: oat porridge (I make with oat milk) and some honey, few big spoons before and few after intake, it protects, eases, greases, etc, makes even puking smoother.

 

[Sabnock1990]

Definitely do an extract on the Rue, it only takes vinegar, washing soda, and perhaps salt if going for pure Harmalas. It's pretty easy and if you can get a mg scale, you can weigh out say, 180mgs of Rue full spectrum extract, encapsulate that, and she shouldn't have to purge, the purge for me personally comes in at 200mgs.

Also, Cannabis works wonders for nausea, the purge could still be there, but the nausea is pretty much absent with Cannabis in the mix.

As for things like Peppermint or Ginger, i've tried those and haven't personally had good experiences with those, they altered the experience in weird ways.

Other than that, Changa with Cannabis there is definitely no nausea or purging.

 

[Jees]

... or Ginger, i've tried those and haven't personally had good experiences with those, they altered the experience in weird ways...

Ginger doesn't help me much either. The altering of experience: I've missed out on that one, perhaps it did but then very slightly, cannot recollect change.

 

[Pile of cats]

It might have something to do with the days prior to the attempt? I've personally found if I'm not feeling healthy for reasons such as diet (even minor discomfort in my digestion system will increase my chances of vomiting early on aya / pharma) or even tightness in muscles from not having been active can also lead to strange feelings during the come up which often leads to nausea. Also, last time I drank aya I ate some acidic fruits and also used juice to wash out the taste, the extra acidity in my stomach made it very difficult to keep down and made purging very uncomfortable.

 

[concombres]

I seem to have this problem with aya as well.
I`ve had a brew or two work extremely well & take me to hyperspace, but vomiting occured in between waves & nausea stayed the whole time.
Some people (myself included) just cannot deal with the nausea that comes with oral dmt + harmalas long enough to get full fledged effects.
Even when I did manage to break through, I battled the urge to puke for 2+hrs, with previous attempts, the trip would start & as soon as I vomit it ends & i`m left feeling minor effects from the brew & extreme nausea & cramping for the rest of the night.
Extracted harmalas & dmt was less nauseating, but generally still causes early purging & some bad nausea.

Try different methods (pure harmalas dissolved in some juice followed up with dmt in juice & maybe a cup of tea made from ginger root, chamomile, & lemon balm 45min to 1hr before ingesting the brew.

If she simply cannot bypass the puking lomg enough to have a full experience, changa works very well & is more ayahuasca-like than pure freebase dmt & does not usually cause nausea or vomiting.

 

[FLeP]

For the record, extracted harmalas and dmt have given me almost zero nausea and I am kind of stomach-sensitive. I always mix them with the juice of two fresh lemons in a hot water bath for ten minutes. Theoretically this converts them from a freebase to an acetate that is easier on most stomachs.

 

[Nathanial.Dread]

Ginger is a powerful antinausea agent, including that might help.

If you're feeling risky, datura seeds (just like 1-3 seeds, not enough for psychoactive effects) are an extremely effective antinausea/antiemetic.

Blessings
~ND

 

[Dr. Illusion]

Thanks everyone for the info. Sorrg it took a while to respond, the login button doesn't seem to be working on my mobile.

I read in a few places that a CWE of Rue causes no stomach discomfort, so I have high hopes for it.

After a CWE, would it be better to evap the liquid and cap what's left over, or drink the liquid?

Just for the record, anything involving weed is out of the question. Neither of us like it at all. It makes me pass out for 12-18 hours, makes her feel stupid and distant. We won't touch it. I appreciate the input regarding changa, but it's not in the cards.

We may try ginger in conjunction with the CWE Rue. We're dosing this weekend and I will report back.

My last oral DMT trip I did a LOT and things got really intense (2 hours felt like an eternity of having my ego scraped away and my raw soul exposed to everything in the universe.) I think her gut was smart enough to say "way too much" and that's why she vomited the DMT in lemon juice. Cutting dosage in half this weekend.

Not sure if it's a good or bad thing, but my gut never says "too much!" It just lets me learn my lesson.

 

[TGO]

I agree with ND, ginger works quite well for my girlfriend and I. We usually drink a strong ginger tea about 15-20 minutes before drinking the sacred brew. It helps me keep it down long enough. I almost always puke between the 1.5 - 2.0 hour mark no matter what measures were taken to reduce nausea.

 

[Dr. Illusion]

I agree with ND, ginger works quite well for my girlfriend and I. We usually drink a strong ginger tea about 15-20 minutes before drinking the sacred brew. It helps me keep it down long enough. I almost always puke between the 1.5 - 2.0 hour mark no matter what measures were taken to reduce nausea.

I don't mind puking in general, as long as she keeps it down long enough to get the effects.

 

[○]

3-4 datura stramonium seeds taken 45 minutes to an hour before taking mushrooms would pretty much kill the nausea every time. Never attempted it with anything else like ayahuasca/etc.

Even though it's only 3-4 seeds, the paranoia in me would probably abstain from it all together if i had to end up taking an maoi with it, even though caapi and rue alks are RIMAs; hmf ..id personally avoid it; although there shouldn't be any risk given how small the actual dosage of seeds are. There's old threads on it if you google search.

 

[Dr. Illusion]

Well, just to keep everyone updated. I did the CWE on the Rue for her, but she took 6.2g of Penis Envy shrooms instead of the DMT. She held down the rue and the shrooms and had a good, deep trip.

My best friend, who took dmt for the 1st time last night with boiled/evaped rue in caps, spent almost the entire trip in the bathroom purging out both ends. I did exactly what he did and had a good trip, purging of any kind.

Strange stuff.