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Defining "Breakthrough"

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kungpow said:
To me a breakthrough is where you cannot tell the difference between reality and your imagination. Eyes open or closed doesn't matter. I don't believe that I have broken through yet. I have gone pretty deep, but I always have a sense of my body. It is still like I am laying in my floor just watching the back of my eyelids. I have never had an experience where I have been completely engulfed in the experience.

When first starting use dmt I was confused about the breakthrough experience. It seems that a lot of people correlate a breakthrough with entities. But I get entities every time I smoke dmt no matter what the dosage. I have never been completley out of my body in a place that seems more real than here.

One day when the time is right I am sure I will breakthrough completely, but I am still waiting patiently.

~Peace
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This is exactly how I feel man. I can have many many entities surround me on medium doses but sometimes no entity contact on a complete breakthrough.

If you wanted to just pile your spice on like you never have before :). Thats how usually estimate a breakthrough dose. Quality spice makes a huge difference.
 
ok just an idea - could be totally off but if i never ask il never know.

kungpow mentioned low dose entity contact
i have full entity contact on low dose too - same, humanoid - and for me - they are the same size as me, very seldom smaller.

kungpow - has swiy taken loads and loads of mushies ?
have the mushie experiences gotten a bit more difficult of late ?

perhaps the fact that psilocin and spice are so closely related means that one who has consumed many mushies is perhaps more sensitive to the spice.
as in that persons brain knows immediatley what to do with the spice and how to use it best/efficiently.

kungpow - ever had entities on mushies - ?

this is even more unrelated but do u feel that mushies now can go "strange" in a hard way ?
 
I think of the "breakthrough" as the point at which identity loss occurs. It's the difference (for SWIM) between WATCHING a movie and actually BEING the movie. An experience can be extremely visual (in 3 or more dimensions), with or without the sensation of "entity contact", but if SWIM is still SWIM and observing from a 3rd party perspective, then he hasn't broken through.

SWIM's true breakthrough point is dissolution into infinity. It's a reuniting with the all that is - and when he reaches this state, the visuals (though mind-blowing) are almost incidental. The experience at this level is more about the perpetual ACT of de- and re-construction - an endless cycling through the process of death and rebirth. For lack of a better term, it is a return to God. In any case, linguistics just don't apply in this space, and analysis is rendered impossible.

As passionate and articulate a weirdo as Terrence McKenna was on the subject, his descriptions just don't really capture SWIM's personal experience at all (as SWIM's surely won't for you). "Elves", "the veil", "contact", etc. - these are all just pale metaphors. I hate the need to translate and search for points of reference to cling to, and I often feel that this struggle to name and comprehend where I've been only serves to muddy the waters.

What we are chasing, we'll none of us ever catch. We will never name the un-nameable.
 
when encountering entities it is as if i am a glowing ball inside some dimentionless yet still somehow definable - bubble - deffinitely usually a feeling of being encapsulated.
perhaps telepathic communication - words just wouldnt work.
i used a peice of what ol antrocles said about not remaining like a single entity but rather becoming part of the framework - it changed everything - most helpfull advice ever.
 
Uncle Knucles said:
I think of the "breakthrough" as the point at which identity loss occurs. It's the difference (for SWIM) between WATCHING a movie and actually BEING the movie. An experience can be extremely visual (in 3 or more dimensions), with or without the sensation of "entity contact", but if SWIM is still SWIM and observing from a 3rd party perspective, then he hasn't broken through.

SWIM's true breakthrough point is dissolution into infinity. It's a reuniting with the all that is - and when he reaches this state, the visuals (though mind-blowing) are almost incidental. The experience at this level is more about the perpetual ACT of de- and re-construction - an endless cycling through the process of death and rebirth. For lack of a better term, it is a return to God. In any case, linguistics just don't apply in this space, and analysis is rendered impossible.

As passionate and articulate a weirdo as Terrence McKenna was on the subject, his descriptions just don't really capture SWIM's personal experience at all (as SWIM's surely won't for you). "Elves", "the veil", "contact", etc. - these are all just pale metaphors. I hate the need to translate and search for points of reference to cling to, and I often feel that this struggle to name and comprehend where I've been only serves to muddy the waters.

What we are chasing, we'll none of us ever catch. We will never name the un-nameable.
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I also definitely agree with this, nicely said Van!
 
Phlux- said:
ok just an idea - could be totally off but if i never ask il never know.

kungpow mentioned low dose entity contact
i have full entity contact on low dose too - same, humanoid - and for me - they are the same size as me, very seldom smaller.

kungpow - has swiy taken loads and loads of mushies ?
have the mushie experiences gotten a bit more difficult of late ?

perhaps the fact that psilocin and spice are so closely related means that one who has consumed many mushies is perhaps more sensitive to the spice.
as in that persons brain knows immediatley what to do with the spice and how to use it best/efficiently.

kungpow - ever had entities on mushies - ?

this is even more unrelated but do u feel that mushies now can go "strange" in a hard way ?
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LOL. Damn phlux you fricken nailed it on the head. I have taken so many mushrooms it is rediculous. Then you called it again by saying that my mushrooms trips have been difficult of late. For the past year I haven't had an easy going mushroom trip. I still do it for learning purposing but they are never smooth sailing. A rough time every time and I was thinking about giving up psychedelics until I started using DMT.

The other weird thing is that I have had entites on my mushroom trips, and it has only been on my difficult trips taht I have been having lately. They aren't as vivid and crazy as dmt, but with eyes closed on high dose mushroom trips I just a lot of humanoids around and it used to scare me. Every time I would see these humanoids my trip would start to go sour. But now I do DMT and I have really learned to love these humanoids and I really think that my mushroom trips may be revived.

Like you said my entity contact is always humanoid and they are always the same size as me. The usually look pretty much like us, except sometimes they have super powers. They can fly aroound and jump really high. They have also had a tendency to be violent towards each other. One time I was watching them and 3 of them were just beating the shit out of each other, but not causing and harm. It was almost like they were doing it for fun, but they were so fast and powerful.

But this is definitely a strange correlation.

~Peace
 
I like to keep it simple.
What I define as a breakthrough, at least for myself, is knowing I'm not just seeing pretty colors anymore but
have instead entered another land.
For SWIM, this usually means not that he actually broke through something but instead, a 3d world
comes from a point in space and surrounds him. It's quite different from the "average" DMT experience.

Sensory Overload.

I do agree with what some people have said, if you breakthrough, you just know.
 
Uncle Knucles said:
I think of the "breakthrough" as the point at which identity loss occurs. It's the difference (for SWIM) between WATCHING a movie and actually BEING the movie. An experience can be extremely visual (in 3 or more dimensions), with or without the sensation of "entity contact", but if SWIM is still SWIM and observing from a 3rd party perspective, then he hasn't broken through.
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Although I've yet to experience what I would consider a breakthrough, I think that Art's description corresponds to what I would consider a breakthrough. Not being able to perceive your body, being totally immersed in hyperspace, having the feeling that you are not breathing/have died would suggest a breakthrough for me.

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