Did I Break Through?

[santos]

hello,

i just joined this forum and think it really helpful. kinda reminds me of the Mosaic Project in ABC's Flash Forward series-except much better.

my 1st extraction was yesterday and it was also the 1st time i tried smoking spice. i have tried ayahuasca 3 times in the past and have felt little or no effect. i have done shrooms, 5meo-dmt, 2ci, 2ce, 2ct2, jw18 and many others.

the 1st couple of times i smoked spice it was nice but i knew i had nor broken through, then i started doing 50mg+ doses every hour x5. the 1st time i smoked the 50mg hit (in a glass pot pipe with ashes and parsley) i inhaled the entire hit and held it as long as i could, when i opened my eyes, i was in the same room but everything became two dimensional cartoon with movement everywhere. it became alive and very high tech looking with a metallic rounded appearance. there was an alien and ancient wisdom feel to it, was so awesome and beautiful. a very privileged head space indeed.

the 2nd 50mg hit i tried i fell very short of the previous experience (probably burned some) and it was not so great-reminded me of a 5meo-dmt experience which is a very scary place for me.

the next 2x i did 50mg, the experiences were awesome. once i felt a being next to me on my shoulder that kept turning my head so that i would look at something on my lower right side, what i saw there was like a rubics cube with a different world on each side that was a constantly changing and inter locking the different worlds. the lower part of my body was part of the cube, the 5th time i did probably around 70mg and i think i passed out because i woke up with the pipe on the floor and no memory of what had happened.

my question is, how do i know if i broke through? what is the difference between breaking through and coming close?

thanks

santos

 

[gammagore]

Gota love that rubix cube

Only you will know if you broke through, I promise. If you can still recognise your room, chances are you didnt break through. A breakthrough is like nothing ever experienced.

Passing out, hmmm maybe you did a little too much there, go back to the 40-50mg range and work with it there.

Along the lines of pulling 50mg spice through a bong, are you sure your tek perfected? 50mg vapor is alot to pull in a pipe in one rip.

Be safe and work on intention for this journey.

 

[santos]

thank you Astra Planer,

wow! i thought the rubix cube and re-directing of attention towards it was unique to me. after reading your post i searched rubix cube + dmt, it's amazing how similar experiences others have had. i am going to buy a meth pipe on saturday and will try again and report back on this topic, though i have to admit that i am really scared about it!

santos

 

[Bill Cipher]

Glass Vaporgenie: the gold standard for spice afficiandos everywhere.

Seriously. It's what you're looking for.

 

[Zig]

The first few times I smoked spice I thought I broke through. I had amazing visuals, and thought there is no way DMT could show me something more powerful.

Then one day I got a massive hit, held it in perfect, then another...and it was an absolutely indescribably beautiful experience. I sat up from the trance and looked at my sitter and said "Wow now i know what a breakthrough is"

From my experience everybody who has broken through knew it right away without hesitation, the others who "Thought" they broke through I believe they did not.

No hesitation, breaking through is like being in love....you just know it.

Just my opinion anyway

 

[aetherbound]

Hello...Time and time again I thought I was breaking thru just to be surprised the next time something more amazing happened...For me an actual breakthru is when I find myself in an alternate reality, and trust me, you will know when an alternate reality opens in your environment:d ...I havent perfected the GVG yet as when I loaded 50mg in it like I did the reg glass pipe it kicked me down the rabbit hole so fast I didnt realize what was happening to me and nearly freaked, something I had never done before...So, I am on hiatus for a short while until I get my gumption back..lol...

Aether

 

[vovin]

DMT is metabolized in the body within 5-7 minutes the chemicals that preform this metabolism stay in your system for several hours afterwards and thus if you smoke again in a hour you will not be able to get the same effect unless you incorporate a maoi which is a whole new ballgame. Most people state that when you break thru you know it. There will be no doubt in your mind that you have done so. I agree with this view as it was that way for me.

 

[endlessness]

DMT is metabolized in the body within 5-7 minutes the chemicals that preform this metabolism stay in your system for several hours afterwards and thus if you smoke again in a hour you will not be able to get the same effect unless you incorporate a maoi which is a whole new ballgame.

You think so? I dont know, at least for me I know I can smoke right after and I will have same or even stronger effects. So if I have a failed launch, I dont even have to wait for the effects to really subside, I can straight away start hitting the vaporgenie and I can have a propper launch.

 

[vovin]

I know most people have experienced this including myself. I supposed something in your body chemistry could very well make this a non issue to some people just as there are some people who supposedly are not effected at all by DMT, I have yet to meet one but there have been statements about this. Based upon his statement though I would assume he is like many who have to give a period of time. The way you describe it endless I would assume that you are still using before these chemicals hit. If you were to try to break thru say 30 mins later you would probably experience the diminished effect as I described. I don't want to say this is the case with every person as I have learned that many drugs effect different people in vastly different ways.

 

[endlessness]

yeah I guess you are right it seems people metabolize things very differently. I have also heard/read about people not having effects with DMT, which I find so hard to believe, and from the many people i've seen this never happened, but I guess it happens.

Also if I try 30 mins later I still dont have diminished effects, DMT really creates no tolerance at all for me. Its so interesting how our bodies work, how similar but different we can all be

 

[skinwalker]

you report sounds similiar to mine regarding the entity (other than the rubic cube)

once i felt a being next to me on my shoulder that kept turning my head so that i would look at something on my lower right side

my cats first steps in hyperspace - First steps in Hyperspace - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[Zig]

Personally I can keep hitting it as many times as I would like to. I have hit my mullein:spice 1:1 mix as many as 5 times in a session and never experienced diminished effects, but again that's just me.

 

[gammagore]

thank you Astra Planer,

wow! i thought the rubix cube and re-directing of attention towards it was unique to me. after reading your post i searched rubix cube + dmt, it's amazing how similar experiences others have had. i am going to buy a meth pipe on saturday and will try again and report back on this topic, though i have to admit that i am really scared about it!

santos

Ye that rubix cube comes up alot, and the redirection of attention aswell.

If you do get that meth pipe, get a torch lighter aswell, using a bic lighter can get quite messy, you will end up with a black bowl and you wont be able to see whats going on inside it.

Peace, gammagore

 

[Dimitri-Trance]

DMT is metabolized in the body within 5-7 minutes the chemicals that preform this metabolism stay in your system for several hours afterwards and thus if you smoke again in a hour you will not be able to get the same effect unless you incorporate a maoi which is a whole new ballgame.

You think so? I dont know, at least for me I know I can smoke right after and I will have same or even stronger effects. So if I have a failed launch, I dont even have to wait for the effects to really subside, I can straight away start hitting the vaporgenie and I can have a propper launch.

I guess it does depend on the person because this seems silly to me. After a breakthrough (20-40 minutes later), and still trippin, swim can easily and happily go for another session, deeper then the last...thus repeated till enough is learned.
No tolerance what so ever.
I remember one time as well...swim past the 1 minute mark and decided to take another hit and worked perfectly beautiful.8)

Its like the yopo of the amazon.
We gotta to hit it like warriors and with full dedication!

 

[Dimitri-Trance]

thank you Astra Planer,

wow! i thought the rubix cube and re-directing of attention towards it was unique to me. after reading your post i searched rubix cube + dmt, it's amazing how similar experiences others have had. i am going to buy a meth pipe on saturday and will try again and report back on this topic, though i have to admit that i am really scared about it!

santos

Sweet. Its normal braw. Its normal to be hella scared. Swims heart pumps harder when hes about to hit it then when it comes on.:lol:

It will all, later, be converted to love.:roll: Trust me brother.

 

[Ekstasis]

once i felt a being next to me on my shoulder that kept turning my head so that i would look at something on my lower right side

I've experienced this a number of times with mushrooms. I remember several trips in which I could see someone sitting next to me on my couch trying to draw my attention, though on one occasion there was a spaceship floating out of my computer screen so I was pretty entranced by that, lol.

It's absolutely amazing what these tryptamines are capable of. The way they can imitate the sense of sense of someone touching you...or perhaps the entities are in fact touching us.

Good report though

best of luck on future journeys

 

[santos]

OK I bought a glass vaporizer pipe on Saturday in NYC and finally got the guts to try again. I did not notice any difference between the effect I had with the pot pipe with parsley I was previously using and the new vaporizer, so maybe I was doing it right or am still doing it wrong. I really think that I am breaking through most of the time. I don't have visions about places outside the surroundings that I am in, but there is a day and night difference between when I get a lot or miss a lot. If I get a lot less than an hour after being in what I think is the place, I can not get there again unless I wait.

Here is what I think happens when I think that I break through. Everything becomes kinda flat and things appear to shimmer from behind. Similar to a back lit caroon 3D cut out picture. There is a buzzing sound that has a repeating short note. If I had to draw a picture of the source of the sound, it would look like the alien in the Bugs Bunny cartoons. There is a grid-like perspective shifting that moves in a way I can not explain because I always miss the details. The shifting happens in exact synchronization to the alien sound.

Somehow, it feels (I did not see it) like this little alien was moving really fast around the room showing me how he could change the way things look. I prepared myself sometimes by planning on looking at something really closed up to describe the changed details or exactly how the perspective shift occurs, but feel so overwhelmed by what seems like getting dazzled into a hypnotic state by the sound and shifting, that when I remember what I had planned to do, it's too late. I have also tried to keep my eyes closed, but I can't because I get so pulled in by the sights of my surroundings that once I look out, they remain wide opened. It was in the place that I once experienced the Rubixs cube and felt a mechanical alien-like being on left my shoulder that kept turning my head to the lower right to look at the spinning/flipping cube.

This is a pretty consistant effect when I think break through.

Questions:

Has anyone that has broken through know what I am talking?
Is that breaking though?
What does comming close to brealing through (but not) feel like.

I am going to try again on Saturday with mushrooms and I will use two pipes with 25mg each for each trip.

THANKS!

santos

 

[psycho-not]

Glass Vaporgenie: the gold standard for spice afficiandos everywhere.

Seriously. It's what you're looking for.

Swim just found these online. This looks like a great idea. I saw a similar sort of vaporizer chamber thing in a bong at the headshop, I suppose its the same basic concept?

 

[Bill Cipher]

That doesn't sound like a breakthrough, no. What everyone else is telling you is absolutely correct: when you break through, you'll know. There will be no question.

If you have to ask whether you did or didn't, you didn't. It's like a bomb going off in your face - when it happens, it will leave no room for doubt. Keep trying. It may take some time before you do.

 

[ragabr]

It sounds like you're keeping your eyes open, which always make breakthrough difficult/impossible for SWIM. Sometimes she will open her eyes during breakthrough and not realize it until she returns. She really requires minimal sensory input for the transition.