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Dieta(s): share your experience
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so far my best experience has been with ~3kg of yellow flesh potatoes steamed and a sprinkle of salt on top ~12hours pre-session
the only large starchy tuber in iran is different kinds of potato, there is a slightly yellow fleshed one which is a bit sweet after steaming and usually grows into large tubers which i like, i haven't had any experience with sweet potatoes or ube (yams) or taro ... other things like that, some say Ube can be very delicious and sweet, which would help keep things delicious rather than purely bland, there is a very surprising amount of nutrition in any 3kg of a tuber albiet some varieties of sweet potato or yam would probably be much more nutritionally complete, there was someone in chat who kept telling me about planting sweet potatoes i forget their name, i think he was in on it
the only large starchy tuber in iran is different kinds of potato, there is a slightly yellow fleshed one which is a bit sweet after steaming and usually grows into large tubers which i like, i haven't had any experience with sweet potatoes or ube (yams) or taro ... other things like that, some say Ube can be very delicious and sweet, which would help keep things delicious rather than purely bland, there is a very surprising amount of nutrition in any 3kg of a tuber albiet some varieties of sweet potato or yam would probably be much more nutritionally complete, there was someone in chat who kept telling me about planting sweet potatoes i forget their name, i think he was in on it
It's very difficult to generalize diet advice, I think. For example, the quite low protein diets that are being discussed here won't work well for someone who is very physically active. I don't think one can talk about an "ideal diet" in general terms.
As for before taking Aya, there are some constants that do seem to hold, like avoiding greasy foods. But most else also seems to depend on the person. For example, I need to fast for at least 16 hours to reduce the chances of it being basically torture. Whereas other people handle it better if they have a light meal not much before the experience.
As for before taking Aya, there are some constants that do seem to hold, like avoiding greasy foods. But most else also seems to depend on the person. For example, I need to fast for at least 16 hours to reduce the chances of it being basically torture. Whereas other people handle it better if they have a light meal not much before the experience.
45g of protein in 3kg of potato
of course, some foods are harder to digest
im not sure why people are reacting to this thread like its dietary advice, clearly its about the best choice of food in relation to consuming beta-carbolines
Yes, so someone quite physically active would easily need over 9kg of potatoes if eating only that. That would be not only very difficult to eat, but almost 7000kcal, which is way way too much for almost anyone.
And yet, people who ate exactly the same not only didn't need to fast, but needed to eat something light before the experience. While to me, eating something light before the experience makes it strictly worse.
I'm not reacting to the thread, I'm making an observation that I don't think there is a general "ideal diet".
what did they eat ?
protein needs are overblown, there are many low protein/fat endurance runners and ... what have you. higher protein needs may be relevant for body builders / people who are constantly being injured , many long term body builders even report being able to maintain muscles after gaining them on a higher protein diet with a lower protein but calorically/nutritionally adequate carbohydrate intake
I don't remember, but it was the same as I did. For the light food before Aya, it was just some white bread. That person needs it to feel better during the experience, and I need to not eat it to feel better during the experience.
Endurance runners, yes. Endurance physical activity doesn't require high amounts of protein.
No need to be a bodybuilder, anyone doing regularly any kind of strength-focused physical activity (be it for sports or working) will benefit greatly from higher protein intake.
It's not a good idea to believe what most body builders report, as they also usually report their gains coming from "diet and effort", without mentioning the little detail of massive amounts of anabolic steroids. Bodybuilders aim to get below 5% body fat while keeping a very high percentage of muscle mass, there's no diet or training that can achieve that without anabolics. Whatever they do doesn't apply to the general population.
Do you have any personal experience with strength-based exercise? It's not only that higher protein intake makes you progress better (or progress at all), but that too low of an intake will have you feeling weak and tired the whole day.
That was my point, that it depends on the person, including (but not only limited to) their level and kind of physical activity. To claim that one can perform well and feel good while doing strength training on low protein is similar to claiming that someone that doesn't do that kind of activity needs very high amounts of protein.
And as I said before, even for Ayahuasca there don't seem to be that many truly universal diet advice.
I don't understand why the idea that diet should be adequate to the person and their circumstances would be controversial.
im not sure why someone would be lifting weights and drinking ayahuasca
and yet, "dieta" is probably one of the most important elements of ayahuasca shamanism, why? and this is not unique, anywhere serious inner exploration is going on, either vippasana or yoga or ... this is one of the most important elements of it
yes and like i said, body builders or anyone who is injuring themselves on a regular basis would benefit from a higher protein intake, which i still can't see applying to the ceremonial setting of either drinking ayahuasca or meditating
IME , food is tremendously related to my neurological state, so much so that the idea of a certain food not being "ideal" for something like a ayahuasca experience is a total 404 error for me
Why not? It seems to be personal prejudice. Of course, no one would be doing both at the same time or the same day. But many people practice both concurrently on a long term basis.
And yet, it's absent from e.g. Santo Daime, why? The same reason for both, I guess: different traditions that have developed differently.
[Edit: plus, this is questionable. There are many forms of ayahuasca shamanism, in some of them even alcohol is taken at the same time. Not to mention that mestizo shamans often ingest substances such as mouthwash, which are likely to be much worse than any food. So this line of reasoning is very questionable]
Again, that seems to be based on personal prejudice and nothing else.
For you, absolutely. Now, consider the possibility that the food that will be "ideal" for other people (which may be no food at all) could be different. That's my whole point.
priorities
Why not? It seems to be personal prejudice. Of course, no one would be doing both at the same time or the same day. But many people practice both concurrently on a long term basis.
Please, don't make these low effort replies that are equivalent to no reply. You "don't see why", but the fact is that it does happen. Replying that the reason you don't see why is "priorities" doesn't address this fact.
i mean, for me, if im drinking ayahuasca, that moment may as well be the most important moment of my life, how can i even care about, lifting weights? and you should consider your complication "torture", not unrelated to this, obviously
i am familiar with the hell world of self induced suffering, practically why i started this thread, otherwise why even care if there is no right way of doing things? after more than a decade of working with beta-carbolines i have done enough reality testing to see that there is a difference what kind of choices you make
anyway, if you like to lift weights and drink ayahuasca thats fine, i started this thread for people who had "successful" long term dietas to describe their experience for everyone else
Again, that's the keyword and my main point.
Please read what I said again:
Lol.
You should open yourself to the idea that the right way may vary depending on person, situation, goals, etc.
Yes, I know it's fine, thank you. It was just an example amongst the many possible to show that there is no universal "ideal diet". I also talked about fasting vs. not fasting, which is much more directly related to Ayahuasca, and that you haven't addressed. Not that you need to address it, as long as you're willing to admit the possibility that the "right diet" for Ayahuasca may not be exactly the same for everyone.
i maintain that as you continue to work with ayahuasca there is a clear dietary direction it will take you which results in compounding signals of "yes" , so much so that its impossible to deny the existence of a "ayahuasca diet"
so far as fasting goes i believe 12 hours after a suitable meal is usually the right balance of sympathetic and parasympathetic activation to drink the ayahuasca , can be longer for brews much more concentrated in betacarbolines / higher in total harmaline content
and clearly i didn't say "your" best experiences , you're welcome to describe yours
Are Santo Daime people lacking in experience, then? I don't think so (and their advice of eating 2 hours before doesn't work well for me).
I'm not saying food has no effect, I'm saying the effect seems to be highly variable depending on the people. Also depending on the goals. Even among the traditions that practice dietary restrictions, the way they do it varies a lot. Again, drinking mouthwash is common for mestizo shamans, and in other places they drink it with alcohol. None of those can be said to be lacking in experience.
Fasting for over 24 hours works the best for me, avoiding overly greasy or salty food beforehand.
Dietas seem to be simple like boiled fish and some plantain. I don’t know why anyone would make the leap to just eating sweet potatoes. That is NOT a typical ayahuasca dieta. Lots of people who go to Iquitos and spend time travelling away from that region will testify that in relation to the “ayahuasca dieta”, there is no such thing.
Many people have covered this topic exhaustively. When for instance they are asked why no salt, they say they need the salt to preserve fish so they can get it to the markets without spoiling.
Many people have covered this topic exhaustively. When for instance they are asked why no salt, they say they need the salt to preserve fish so they can get it to the markets without spoiling.
Food choices are relatively simple to experience.
If the consumption of a food item doesn't 'sit' well, try something else.
Everyone is on a different 'path', pay attention to your own experiences and pick and choose what feels best.
In my mind, like many other types of experiences, food is one of the building blocks of your Reality. Pick the ones that fit your Being the best. You can try the suggestions from others, but the ultimate choice is yours. And only you, yourself, can 'feel' the experience it has on your Being.
And then Flux with Joy!
If the consumption of a food item doesn't 'sit' well, try something else.
Everyone is on a different 'path', pay attention to your own experiences and pick and choose what feels best.
In my mind, like many other types of experiences, food is one of the building blocks of your Reality. Pick the ones that fit your Being the best. You can try the suggestions from others, but the ultimate choice is yours. And only you, yourself, can 'feel' the experience it has on your Being.
And then Flux with Joy!
"to mellow the head"
which it does
please, if you have personally had a particularly prolonged period of consuming ayahuasca on a regular to semi regular basis and you experienced little to no complications meaning your method of going about it worked, do share your ways
otherwise everybody has their own opinion and im not trying to change peoples opinions here
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