Difference in Caapi vines and suppliers

[dynomite]

I was just now checking the different caapi vines being sold by MAYA and noticed that they actually say who the suppliers are.

So my question is: Do you keep track of who the suppliers are, or do you just go by the type of vine that you want?

Also, I'm looking to do my first Ayahuasca brew and was wondering which caapi vine was to be recommended if one were to make a big first brew.
For example, in the All About Aya thread ms_manic_minxx wrote that the Yellow caapi vine "seems to have a "balanced" profile of qualities" which is more suitable for the less experienced. Is this the consensus?

If that specific vine is not obtainable, would leaves from the same type of tree be the next best thing?


Thank you for your time

dynomite

 

[Shaolin]

Maya's items have a number next to them, so for instance [6] will always be from the same supplier.

 

[dynomite]

Exactly. That's what I meant by keeping track of suppliers.

I'm trying to understand if people try to distinguish different vines from different suppliers (if both vines are of the same type black, white, yellow etc.) and from there go by experience and say.. well this vine from this supplier didn't work as well as that vine from that supplier.

I don't know other sites that name their suppliers or brand their products so I guess this only covers orders from Maya.

 

[Hatersgunnahate]

Also, I'm looking to do my first Ayahuasca brew and was wondering which caapi vine was to be recommended if one were to make a big first brew.

this is a bad idea, if you don't know how to swim do you jump in the ocean or start in a 6ft swimming pool?

start small, 1-4 doses is my recommendation. start with yellow its a good even vine, then venture out small but the vine colors effect everyone differently.


I'm trying to understand if people try to distinguish different vines from different suppliers (if both vines are of the same type black, white, yellow etc.) and from there go by experience and say.. well this vine from this supplier didn't work as well as that vine from that supplier.

and yes we keep track because: if joe's caapi is 60$ and is godly, and bob's caapi is 55$ and blows, that's why we keep track of vendors


*edit* ^^^ i re-read what you wrote, i keep a list of vendors and rate them from 1-10, i dont order from maya sorry

 

[ms_manic_minxx]

I have found the differences between colors from other vendors to be generally the same--yellow is like yellow, red is like red, nothing too wildly different.

ALTHOUGH, I have heard of some people getting yellow sold as cielo. Maya had this incredible kick-your-ass cielo once, a long time ago, that has never cropped up again. THAT cielo was nothing like a lot of the other cielo going around. There are some variations, but it's not the bulk of what I have experienced, and all in all, any differences between vine are simply interesting.

If you cook a lot... you'll know when you cook. You'll know by the smell, color, and taste... The vine will tell you, it doesn't matter how man labels her...

I just love Maya because they are ethical and consistent. ALWAYS. Some sketchy vendors once sold me $700 of foul-tasting sticks that may not have been Ayahuasca (totally inactive @ 500g, wtf?)... so, you know, as long as your vendor is trustworthy, chances are there will be a repeatably identifiable and marked difference between colors.

No vine is weaker than any other vine... they are just like people... wonderfully unique and different. Some may resonate more with you than others.

 

[gibran2]

...No vine is weaker than any other vine... they are just like people... wonderfully unique and different. Some may resonate more with you than others.

I think you’re saying that no vine is inferior to any other. However, the strength (alkaloid content) of vine can vary considerably.

 

[BananaForeskin]

Just thought I'd answer one query of yours that seemed to be ignored: the leaves. No, the leaves from the same color of vine wouldn't be the next best thing. The leaves have an extremely varied alkaloidal profile and more tannins than you might want. Your best bet would be to find a similar caapi color.

If you were looking for yellow, but couldn't find it, you might check out red or white.

 

[olympus mon]

Just thought I'd answer one query of yours that seemed to be ignored: the leaves. No, the leaves from the same color of vine wouldn't be the next best thing. The leaves have an extremely varied alkaloidal profile and more tannins than you might want. Your best bet would be to find a similar caapi color.

If you were looking for yellow, but couldn't find it, you might check out red or white.

hey banana i was just watching a Johnathan Ott vid where he was saying that the leaves contain 2 times as much harmala's as does the vine. do you agree with that? he never mentioned the tannins however and thats a great point. probably why ive never heard of anyone making aya from leaf.

 

[BananaForeskin]

hey banana i was just watching a Johnathan Ott vid where he was saying that the leaves contain 2 times as much harmala's as does the vine. do you agree with that? he never mentioned the tannins however and thats a great point. probably why ive never heard of anyone making aya from leaf.

Ha ha, I'm glad you brought that up because I had misremembered the thread/studies I'd gotten that from! The discussion hadn't been on the harmala content of the leaves vs the vine, rather it had been the thh content of the leaves vs the vine. Ott was generally correct that there are more harmalas by weight in the leaves, about twice. The thread I was thinking of is here, followed by a study:

Harmala-content in Caapi leaves? - Harmalas - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Erowid Online Books : "Ayahuasca: alkaloids, plants, and analogs" by Keeper of the Trout

Ayahuasca: alkaloids, plants & analogs by Keeper of the Trout (full text) title page

www.erowid.org

Well... hmm... I could have sworn there was another thread about it, but I must be getting some things mixed up. Either way, you could theoretically make a potent brew from the leaves, clear it with tannin-binding techniques, and be safe. Might even be worth a try sometime, given the profile of the leaves. It might not be cost effective, but it would theoretically work.

 

[dynomite]

Thank you all for responding! You all pretty much summed up what I wanted to know
Much appreciated!