DMT and the mainstream (Welcome Area)

[iDontUseDrugs]

So i was playin Ab-Soul's album, "Control System", and i couldn't help but think about that question when the song "Pineal Glands" came up. What if DMT went mainstream? I mean, what if DMT was popularized? What if kids made it the next "Cool thing" that everyone had to try out? Would we have a more self-reflective society? Would people be more interested in knowledge than in jewelry, and could human kind improve as a result.....

Or would this bring down a swift and vicious govt crackdown before anything like that happened? Could all our vendors be shut down, and could all popular dmt chemical's be watched over intensely by big brothers all seeing eye?



This is the song im referring to btw. It has nearly 500,000 views over a span of 3 months. If you dont care for my thoughts above, you can feel free to comment about his music instead :thumb_up:

 

[zedwings]

DMT is becoming more and more popular. I'm not sure what else the government could do to "crack down". In the UK, it's already a class A substance and possession carries a hefty prison sentence.

DMT is not always an enjoyable experience, so I can't see kids taking a liking to it.

 

[universecannon]

ugh, dmt is going mainstream NOW. and in many respects- it already has, really

of course they wont tell you that on the nighttime news though (although the spirit molecule is on netflix..heheh)

"Or would this bring down a swift and vicious govt crackdown before anything like that happened? Could all our vendors be shut down, and could all popular dmt chemical's be watched over intensely by big brothers all seeing eye?"

read around the forums. all of those things have happened already

 

[Guyomech]

Zedwings makes a great point: DMT is not always enjoyable. And that may place a bigger limitation on its popularity than any effort by the authorities.

Example: I was smoking weed with this kid from down the street (maybe 21 years old), who told me he was taking a lot of acid and ecstasy. So I asked him if he'd heard of DMT, and he hadn't. Next thing you know a buddy of his does an extraction, he tries it and is all about it (I sampled their batch and it was quite fine). A month or two later I asked him if he wanted to come by for a quick hyperspace journey, and he said, No thanks... He'd already had enough. Two months and the honeymoon was over.

I would guess that this would be a pretty typical reaction from anyone dabbling with DMT who doesn't have some clear intention or direction behind its use. It's not a toy, plain and simple.

 

[Thewhitekingtut]

DMT is becoming more and more popular. I'm not sure what else the government could do to "crack down". In the UK, it's already a class A substance and possession carries a hefty prison sentence.

DMT is not always an enjoyable experience, so I can't see kids taking a liking to it.

I have noticed a swing in popularity amount a lot of younger people in the Chicago area as well , but I can't say it is mainstream, in fact most people still have no idea what don't is or what it's qualities are .

 

[ymer]

I doubt it will become a "cool" popular thing to do.

One sub-breakthrough is enough to get your ass handed to you.

 

[pseudonaut]

its insane the amount of people who are learning what it is. but there are too many who see it as another way to "trip their face off" or whatever it is they're into as far as quelling a need to get high. i don't know too many people personally who are keen to try and dwell deeper in consciousness rather than just try a new drug. it's definitely reaching a mainstream point, too many people are aware of it for the wrong reasons, at one point i was guilty of trying to extract for the wrong reasons, and it never turned out. i feel like these sorts of things find the right people and the ones who get busted in some retrospect are getting in for those ill intentions. but still, they can ruin it for everyone. i really agree and hope this dies out, and it becomes a less sought after experience again.

mankind could improve itself by deterring from what already is mainstream, i.e. reality t.v., fashion trends, 2 party politics, and things of that nature.
our species has a lot of tightening up to do.

 

[Thewhitekingtut]

I doubt it will become a "cool" popular thing to do.

One sub-breakthrough is enough to get your ass handed to you.

Very true a lot of people are overwhelmed bye dmt and therefor put off by it

 

[infinitynlove]

Very true a lot of people are overwhelmed bye dmt and therefor put off by it

yes in that sense its self regulating, I find a lot of people try it, don't like it move on, some do, go deeper either learn form it and take a break or don't like their exp and move on, its not like meth, smack or crack where you just want more and more.

I don't think psychedelics could ever be used like regular drugs.

I don't think its popularity will increase that much, more just peoples awareness of it...

When an easy to do grass extraction and actives separation tek is developed there will be virtually no way to stop people from extracting and separating spice.

Peace.

 

[Thewhitekingtut]

I agree that psychedelics can't be used like regular drugs in the sense that its not just a high it's an individual experience every time , but other than that they have the ability to be abused just as much as any other drug

 

[Psychelectric]

mankind could improve itself by deterring from what already is mainstream, i.e. reality t.v., fashion trends, 2 party politics, and things of that nature.
our species has a lot of tightening up to do.

What mankind needs to do is change what the mainstream is into something less culturally enslaving.(And yes I know that is redundant, as culture itself is enslaving).

As Terrence McKenna put it, "Culture is not your friend", and he was absolutely right.

 

[Raziel_nx]

Well if you ask me if a good crab grass/phalaris extract will be available than dmt will drop to salvia/datura levels where people dont know sh*t about it but they can get it easily so they just go out eat 500 datura seeds and kill someone on their way home. Same with salvia if you ask me, these things should be thought in school but i have never ever heard a single documentary about psychedelics not even our biology teacher talks about it.

Come to think of it, now im getting concerned lol. Basically, the smaller the does the higher the chances of overdoing something if you dont know how to use it. If dmt gets popular i can see 15year old kids trying to fly to heaven and smoking 1-2 grams of it, that is if nobody tells them what the dose is (same with datura/salvia, they get it or buy it, dont check the dose, than start jumping out of windows)

 

[3rdI]

I agree that psychedelics can't be used like regular drugs in the sense that its not just a high it's an individual experience every time , but other than that they have the ability to be abused just as much as any other drug

i dont agree with this at all. With the exception of Ayahuasca (as it puts me firmly on my arse and i cant really get out of bed and if i do its to purge) i think Psychedelics are easily used as party drugs and i used them this way for a long time and i dont really see anything wrong with this.

I wouldnt think twice about dropping acid at a party or eating some shrooms in the same setting. Me and my friends did this for years and never really had a bad experienece, infact it was the exact opposite, all the best best house parties i have been to have been when everyone was tripping on shrooms or acid. At this time id never done DMT but im pretty sure that if i had some i would have used it as well. I think finding a quiet room at a party with some friends and partaking in the mystery would have gone down a treat.

LSD at a rave is immense, reach for the lasers:surprised.

I had a long break of about 7-8 years from taking any drugs, except pot and alcohol, but this came to an end when DMT and Ayahuasca came into my life. I dont like to use these substances with anyone else but that is just where i am in my life right now but i think that the raising of DMT to a pedestal that is infinitely high is just silly.

Yes DMT is amazing, yes it can provide experiences that are way above anything else i can think of but i see alot of people who have a hollier than thou attitude toward the molicule (Im not aiming this at you Thewhitekingtut, i just used your quote to kick off my rant).

rant over:d

 

[Global]

Even for genuine seekers with noble intentions can get sucked into frequent use with the euphoric reward DMT can offer. Of course as guyomech noted, it's not always pleasant, and this is true, but for some, the experience can be positive for the majority of the time, and are less likely to hit those hyper-speed bumps that seem to be in everyone else's way.

 

[Gowpen]

I doubt it will become a "cool" popular thing to do.

One sub-breakthrough is enough to get your ass handed to you.

Very true a lot of people are overwhelmed bye dmt and therefor put off by it

Secrets are always 'cool',............. there is also a wave of thought to help raise the level of love and positive intentions via DMT to the ready people on this planet, this would be hard to stabilise.

With the help of people like yourself, we the Nexus, promote healthy practice of Entheogens such as DMT. Seen as an Entheogen or healing compound, these substances (and others) have been used on ALL continents for thousands of years, and continue to be so.

If you had an ass kicking from hell with a sub-breakthrough as you intimate ymer, did you gain anything from the experience ? do you know why ? Setting perhaps ? combined with other substances, alcohol for example is a bad choice for an initiate to DMT.
Very true a lot of people are overwhelmed bye dmt and therefor put off by it Not quite so... By far, the majority of people who try Ayahausca gain valuable personal insight into their lives. Mostly, these people are guided through an experience. DMT is one of the raw ingredients and I might suggest that, almost everyone would have a bad experience using pure DMT if it were used in a bad environment or in a context not prepared for. It is NOT a recreational tool, as you have discovered. There is some great reading here and here, there are lots of people's reports here too. Also, why you should NOT take DMT here ..... Reading all these before one tries DMT should be a requisit

There becomes a new oxymoron in my head when I hear DMT and cool and/or popular in the same sentance or context. A bicycle is not like a rocketship, and as such might be better presented without reference to 'other' activities that are both illegal and irrelevant. DMT associated with criminal activities is not a deserved service to the magestic offering it can provide. Regular psychedellics used recreationally have often been associated with other drugs and like 3rdI, I had a similar youth. But really....dont go there. Especially on this site... Mind you, the chat room here is great
Good luck all and hope you dont mind me butting in my 2cents......
Love and Peas G

 

[Thewhitekingtut]

3rdI I see what u mean I've had quite a few great time tripping at shows or out in public like the zoo lol, but that's really for the experienced tripper, defiantly wouldn't recommend goin to a party frying If your not a veteran at it, I had quite the odd experience on some synthetic mesc.

 

[remediosvaro]

theres this guy i know, all he has done has smoked weed. hes telling me he wants something that will make him trip and fuck him up. he heard about dmt because somebody was bragging to him about how they have done it. now this guy is asking me where to get it, and how its hard its gonna make him trip etc. i simply tell him, dont do dmt, its way to strong. just do shrooms or something mild.

now heres the question, do we go ahead and let this person try dmt- and let them be completely blown away (for the better, or the worse)

or do we just keep brushing the idea off when it comes up?

 

[remediosvaro]

also, we need to make information more readily available. such as dose. honestly, when your looking for dosing an entheogen, you get taken to forms. then when you look on the answers, you just see responses like "utfse" or people getting into arguments. it makes sense that the 15 year old looking for a high doesnt wanna go through the work of looking all this stuff up.

lots of people i know are very ignorant about this information. they think that if its sold, its safe.

when i try to tell people not to take RC's that the head shops sell, they just say "if its dangerous, why would they sell it?"

make the information available easily, convince people to research what they take, and most of the time they will not try it because they can see what it really is

 

[Thewhitekingtut]

theres this guy i know, all he has done has smoked weed. hes telling me he wants something that will make him trip and fuck him up. he heard about dmt because somebody was bragging to him about how they have done it. now this guy is asking me where to get it, and how its hard its gonna make him trip etc. i simply tell him, dont do dmt, its way to strong. just do shrooms or something mild.

now heres the question, do we go ahead and let this person try dmt- and let them be completely blown away (for the better, or the worse)

or do we just keep brushing the idea off when it comes up?

I would say give him like half of a 10th of a gram and see if he has a trip, usually twice that is a mild to strong dose , I wouldn't say for the worse but it might overwhelm him enough to not try it again

 

[Michal_R]

...just do shrooms or something mild...

"Mild" shrooms? Perhaps with a "mild" dose I know a few people traumatized for life by taking large amounts of Mushrooms without really knowing what they were getting themselves into :shock:

...now heres the question, do we go ahead and let this person try dmt- and let them be completely blown away (for the better, or the worse)...

I used to talk to other people about how interesting and great DMT was when I was new to DMT. After I gained some more experience (i.e. after a few rather rough breakthroughs), I slowly changed my mind. Nowadays I rarely talk about it to other people and I always make sure that I tell the truth, which is, that I really don´t know whether it is actually a ´good idea´ for them at all...