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roots08

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Hello,

So heres my dilemma: I've been extremely interested in exploring the hallucinogenic realm for a few years now. When I was younger, I tried mushrooms a few times, but never really got anything out of them. At most, all I experienced was a slight "breathing" when looking at trees, grass, ect. After my failed 3rd attempt, I just kind of gave up. It was a few years ago that i had heard about DMT, and have since done as much reading and research as possible. I consider myself pretty knowledgeable when it comes to what to expect from things like LSD, mushrooms, and DMT. But again, I've never really had a "psychedelic" experience. My ultimate goal this summer was to finally have one of those experiences. I especially wanted to get a few mushroom trips under my belt before I made the huge leap to DMT. And considering the scarcity of DMT, I figured this would be a more likely situation.

Oddly enough, the mushrooms have been difficult to find lately, but SWIM has procured some spice. Now, from everything I've read, DMT is beyond anything you will experience on LSD or mushrooms. Even seasoned explorers have raved about how much more intense a DMT trip is compared to other substances. I'm very aware of what I might be in store for, but I'm just wondering if this a very foolish idea on my part. I consider myself to be fairly comfortable with who I am, and also consider myself pretty mentally solid.

I've been trying to find some trip reports of people who have smoked DMT as their first hallucinogenic experience. Needless to say, I haven't found any yet.

I feel that I am as prepared as I can possibly be. The thought of doing DMT made me nervous in the beginning, seeing as how I have little to no experience in this realm. But since the opportunity presented itself, I feel like i'm as ready as I'll ever be.

Am I making a huge mistake? Does anyone have any reference material for this sort of situation? Advice?
 
about the mushrooms you say.. "...never really got anything out of them."

dude, what are you looking for?
 
Interesting question...
There are 2 schools of thought:

1) ease in, learn to let go gradually building confidence with other materials, then with gradually increasing doses of DMT.

2) Nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING will prepare you for DMT, so you might as well dive in (with a carefully measured, reasonable breakthrough dose, to be sure.)

While i acknowledge the truth behind the 2nd, i am a cautious person and , while blown clear out of the water on my first breakthrough, i was glad to have had experience elsewhere, particularly for dealing with the aftermath and for aiding in understanding and contextualizing the experience.

Check out the health & safety section above for further info.

Good luck!!

JBArk
 
While DMT is certainly very intense, especially visually, it's apples to oranges to other psychedelics. LSD and mushrooms are best done socially, DMT can't really be taken the same way. I haven't tried aya but from what I've heard that's not much of a social occasion either (don't quote me on that). LSD/mush to me opens up new ways of thinking about social interaction and how we are all one. DMT is a very solo introspective journey. And while physically and visually intense, I honestly don't think DMT is as mentally intense. Maybe I just haven't had a proper breakthrough, but the classic psychedelics put you way out of your mind and on to a completely novel way of thinking. DMT leaves you much more intact and seems to be something you watch happening instead of having something happen to you.

That's my .02 anyway
 
Ayahuasca is most often taken in large groups traditionally, and is best thought to be used that way..mushrooms better socially??..what kind of doses are you taking?..anything more than 2 grams and I prefer to close the door and not speak to anyone.

Mushrooms and LSD arnt that alike at all..DMT and mushrooms are much much more similar.

DMT is a classic psychedelic.
 
If you feel you are ready for DMT then go ahead, only you will no. But dont expect too much, better yet expect the unexpected.

You say you have some spice? Give it a vape I say. Try it out, if you have no psycological problems.

Safe travels, and remember, DMT is some crazy stuff:)

Oh and, next time extract some spice yourself.
 
Thanks guys!

Yeah I realize that I'm in for one hell of a ride. But like I said, this has been a long time coming...so might as well take the opportunity.

Virola - At that point in my life when I was trying mushrooms, there wasn't really a goal in mind other than to experience something besides pot. I realize now that I had the Set and Setting all wrong. I didn't even really know what that was back then.

I guess now I'm looking to kind of confirm some newly held beliefs I have about life, the world, the universe, ect. I had sort of an epiphany, i guess you could say, a few years ago. Which has led my into my current interest into exploring with hallucinogens.

While I understand that mushrooms, lsd and dmt are all different monsters in their own right, I figured it would probably help to at least know what it was like to be in that different head space before I went head first into the DMT world.

I guess I'm more afraid of being put off to the whole hallucinogen experience because I'm trying to run before I walk, so to speak.

Bottom line is, I'm going to try it anyways. Probably start off with 5-10mg and work my way up. Although I have read on this forum that sub-breakthroughs can be kind of tedious. Guess I'll find out! Thanks again for your input!
 
When you did mushrooms how much did you do, because 8th or more I would have hard time believing that you didn't feel anything... I would probably recommend a decent mushroom or lsd trip first, but I know if it was me and for some reason I had not had a trip before and had DMT I would go ahead and do it. Load it up ease into it with changa maybe just hit it once to start, feel it and then work yourself up to a breakthrough during your first session. No experiences really make you ready for DMT anyway I remember my first breakthrough it is as intense as anything can be...You will be fine and it only lasts 10ish minutes.
 
fractal enchantment said:
Ayahuasca is most often taken in large groups traditionally, and is best thought to be used that way..mushrooms better socially??..what kind of doses are you taking?..anything more than 2 grams and I prefer to close the door and not speak to anyone.

Mushrooms and LSD arnt that alike at all..DMT and mushrooms are much much more similar.

DMT is a classic psychedelic.
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Sure aya may be used in large groups but isn't it similar to smoked DMT in that you have visions of entities and spirits? You may be with other people but how much are you interacting with them? I don't know honestly I've yet to try aya. And yea mushrooms I've always done socially and never in scrub doses. At least 3.5 up to 7 grams. It's common for us to play in a drum circle on the peak and then when the heavy confusion/trance wears off we start to talk. If you really haven't had a good group experience with mushrooms you should try changing your set and setting. We always do it camping. If you aren't having conversations on mush then you're missing some of my favorite effects (telepathy!)

And to me I dunno I've always found LSD and mush to be extremely similar. There are slightly different visual motifs and a different body high but the only main difference I've found is that LSD lasts 9+ hours and mushrooms never more than 4 or 5. But on LSD I get a lot of the same effects I get from mush, a confusing trance, telepathy, shared hallucinations, stuff like that.

The only similarity I really see between mush and DMT is the visual motifs are very similar, closing my eyes on mush gives me somewhat similar visuals to a DMT trip.

And yea you can consider DMT a classic psychedelic if you want, but I'm really talking in terms of popularity. Most people have never heard of DMT, while everyone knows what LSD is and its association with the counterculture of the 60s and 70s.
 
I have a friend that did DMT before even trying out cannabis. And he was fine and does DMT once in a while. He hasn't done mushrooms yet.

And don't be so sure you're in for a hell of a ride. Maybe DMT will be very gentle to you. You won't know until you've tried it :) Do not assume anything when it comes to DMT :)
 
jbark said:
Interesting question...

i was glad to have had experience elsewhere, particularly for dealing with the aftermath and for aiding in understanding and contextualizing the experience.

JBArk
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Exactly what I was gonna say. I was definitely glad I had find allies with the mushroom before my DMT experience. The mushrooms taught me a lot about how to deal with myself, as most of my trips start out very introspective. This was great experience for my first DMT experience, because it really let me relax and give away control to DMT temporarily without my ego completely freaking out. It prepared me to be submissive to DMT's knowledge, and allow the medicine to work. So in that mindset, I would concur in more experience. However...if you've tried mushrooms a handful of times to no avail, perhaps they do not want to be or are not meant to be allies with you and you should try another path. As with all things, always follow the path with heart.

To OP, when you've dosed mushrooms...How much are you taking at once? Because I've even had DMT-like breakthrough experiences on high doses of mushrooms, so either your mushrooms are bunk or you're not taking enough.
 
If you have done mushrooms before, then dmt wouldn't be your first psychedelic. True, dmt can be scary..... although it seems that many of the people, myself included, who do encounter scary things in trips are still greatful for the experience. Don't do it if you aren't prepared for the possibility that you might experience something quite scary..... and the thing that you'll encounter is NOT something you will expect, or may be expecting. It will be something you've never consciously faced before. There is no preparation for that other than the willingness to possibly get scared.
 
I don't think being scared is necessary at all. Think about it. Why do you get scared? Because you have fear of something. And that fear has control over you. If you realize that you make your own reality, you realize there should be nothing that you should fear but death (but even that you should not fear). Fear is an animal instinct and can be overcome, lifting the illusion.
 
The first time that I tried mushrooms, I ate an entire 1/8th. Not all at once though. I ate half right away, and then the other half about 45 minutes later. I then spent the next 6 hours vomiting and dry heaving. Horrible experience. The second time, I put a half eighth on some pizza and ate it after I got off work (I worked the overnight shift and ended up eating the shrooms at about 9am). I layed in my bed and watched a movie. The only effect I got from that session was not being able to sleep until I had to go back to work later that night. The third time I ate a half eighth again. Watched some movies with my friend who had eaten the other half. On that occasion, I sweated profusely. I did have a slight "weird-ish" feeling, and it was only when I stepped outside for a smoke did I notice the very slight "breathing" of the trees I was looking at. But none of these experiences induced any kind of change in perception, definitely no significant visuals. I was a pretty heavy pot smoker at the time, and there was nothing about those experiences that seemed any different from what I might get by smoking a bowl or two. Again, its obvious to me now that I was not in the right setting to optimize whatever experience I might have had. And theres always the possibility that the shrooms I had just weren't very good.

I still intend to have a mushroom experience in the near future (as soon as I can find them). And I really wanted to experience that before I tried DMT. But I don't think i'll be able to hold off the curiosity until I can find shrooms.

I'm not really scared of what might happen. I stopped smoking pot for a while when I was trying to get a job that required a drug test. When that was over and I started smoking again, weed pulled a complete 180 on me. Weed was nice because it used to help me not over analyze all the problems in my life. It gave me a real relaxed approach to my problems...and of course helped me escape them as well.

When I resumed smoking, it turned to the complete opposite. Now when I smoke, I'm forced to confront all of my problems in very scary kind of way (in my mind). So in way, I use pot now so that I can face those inner demons, which isnt very pleasant, but necessary. So in that aspect, I feel pretty prepared for whatever deeper demons I might have to face should things go awry.

Is it possible to have a sort of natural tolerance to such substances? I've had experiences where I've smoked A LOT of opium and never got any higher than smoking weed. I tried salvia a couple of times as well, and never got more than the pins-and-needles feeling. All while friends of mine had tried the same stuff I had and definitely felt the effects.
 
1.Its easy to grow mushrooms
2. You can smoke a small dose of dmt, say 15mg. This will MOST LIKELY give you a sub breakthrough experience. It can be extremely fascinating for the novice. I once even had some kind of ego death on a low dose including quite time dilitation...afterwards i literally felt my ego coming together. It took quite a while to stop laughing about "having thoughts". Afterwards you can go up to a mid dose of like 25mg ...this will propably give you full immersion without breaking through...but it's hard to say as everyone is different. You can start slow with DMT, but the experience changes dramatically as you up the dose. I understand how people might advise a medium to high dose for the first time. With this you can have entity contact and feel the love of god. But there is no reason to be ashamed of starting low. I like how DMT can give you a very short but intense introduction to psychedelics but i can attest that the mental processes were definatly more altered with mushrooms and cactus. At the other hand side..you cant really say that...well...try for yourself!

it'S important to submit to the experience ...totally! Say something like "I'm calm, I accept what lies beyond the mirror, i want it, there is no going back, i want it...i accept whatever happens to me deeply and fully. I accept fear, i accept pain, but most importantly: I accept love. Open me up to love"

Take a couple of deep breaths, sit or lie somewhere comfortably. Best to use a Vaporgenie so you can drop it without worry. Smoke some caapi beforehand or make some changa...its more comfortable and caring ...right from the start. Treat the spice with respect, not like a drug but something sacred. Your life is now in gods hand. Totally.
 
DMTripper said:
I have a friend that did DMT before even trying out cannabis. And he was fine and does DMT once in a while. He hasn't done mushrooms yet.

And don't be so sure you're in for a hell of a ride. Maybe DMT will be very gentle to you. You won't know until you've tried it :) Do not assume anything when it comes to DMT :)
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I took acid before id been stoned.

I think you should just start smoking what you have and get into it, you might do all this prep and research then burn the spice and not get anywhere then curse yourself for bad smoking technique, wasting spice and general pussyfooting about, although of course do whats right for you, and remember it could change your perspective forever. It does feel very similiar to mushrooms but it totally shocked me and I was experienced with mushrooms and acid, going in totally blind to these entheogens would maybe double the shock, first time I took acid was glorious!! good luck! :)
 
I dont personally think you can really compare the two things, shrooms and acid are more of a drug and have quite an entertainment element to them. spice is something else and I think you'll have your own opinion of what that is fairly soon. Mushrooms could prepare you for spice however, it might make it slightly easier to comprehend. I dont think you would have any problems with spice go for it! :)
 
StrangeLoop wrote:
If you really haven't had a good group experience with mushrooms you should try changing your set and setting. We always do it camping. If you aren't having conversations on mush then you're missing some of my favorite effects (telepathy!)
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Couldn´t agree with you more =) The frst real breaktrough i had with los niños we were a group of about 5 and spent the whole afternoon and night in a natural reserve serching for eddible shrooms and just strolling around whilst drinking huge amounts of Tea and eating a lot of homegrown Cubensis. During the day we found no particular effects (a slight difference in collor perception) but when the night began to fall i had a really tough tough time articulatting words, they were just not necessary at all. My best friend and i just started chatting telepathically the rest of the night :D The rest of the group stayed glued on the full moon :lol:
Also they allowed me to see things I don´t see in my non altered state of mind. They are defenitelly my good good friends :d !
Now i wonder... How common is this effect on ppl? Cause i had never heard of them having this effect.
So my advice to you Roots is to grow your own mushrooms (like it has been said here it is very easy) and give them a decent go, but pls get away from concrete buildings when you do... I think the best is to try them in the middle of nature, preferibly at night, and with a good good dose. After all you might as well enjoy the excellent night vision they also provide ;)
 
If you have a clear head and no worries then everything will be fine.
The scary trips didnt come for me personally until about my 15th journey. Early dmt experiences were the best ive had :)
 
buk said:
I dont personally think you can really compare the two things, shrooms and acid are more of a drug and have quite an entertainment element to them. spice is something else and I think you'll have your own opinion of what that is fairly soon. Mushrooms could prepare you for spice however, it might make it slightly easier to comprehend. I dont think you would have any problems with spice go for it! :)
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I respectfully disagree. High doses of mushroom can give you breakthroughs very similar in nature to DMT. LSD can not, but it is an incredible tool for self-development. All three are drugs with potential to be used as well as abused.
 
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