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DMT as first psychedelic experience?

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MojoPin

MojoPin

James
I want to use entheogens throughout my life (im still young) but through marijuana I have learnt that my ego really likes to fight to hold on. I over anaylise and think too much in general which I believe has built up a strong egoic mind (not the mocho type of ego, like my penis is bigger than yours :p) (not to mention a bit of sadness too), one that only sees short periods of clarity. This has made me a bit fearful of using other entheogens that don't completely take control and just disintegrate ego. Whenever I have a powerful dream experience it always leaves me strong and confident but eventually goes away. This is why I was thinking about doing DMT as a kind of entry to entheogens because I know after my first experience I will have nothing but possitive energy coursing through my veins, giving me strength to face any demons my mind may hide. Thoughts?
 
eqt146 said:
It's not just the trip that shapes your perception and thoughts, it's the integration period too. Since DMT is so intense, the integration can be much harder than with other psychedelics. Even if the trip is engaging enough to completely guide you through your DMT experience, you're on your own with the integration. There's nothing stopping those negative and painful thoughts from inhabiting your mind after the trip.".
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I looked a few pages back and found a similar post. There were a lot of replies, 90%+ saying it doesn't really matter at all because nothing is going to prepare you. Integration shouldn't be a problem. But I disagree with that last sentence, I know myself and realise how much moments of truth guide and give me strength.
 
For the most part I agree with eqt but its really up to you I started psychedelics with DOC which was fine but it left me really fried and I couldn't sleep for 2 days but it was eye opening and great trips. But I would have to say after all the psychedlics I have done DOC, LSD , shrooms , DMT , DXM, salvia , ketamine , MDMA. I would say your best bet is to start off with some good old fashioned shrooms or mescaline if you can find it and Dmt would be a close second. But its really what your preference is if your looking for good old fashion eye opening trips you cant go wrong with shrooms.
 
If I could get my hands on some mescaline then I would do that first. But to tell the truth I think I had already made my mind up before posting, I just wanted to see what people thoughts on it were. I appreciate the input

Mojo
 
Dmt as your first psychedelic is like shots of tequila as your first taste of alcohol. Its gonna be a messy learning curve. Not saying don't do it btw.
 
MojoPin said:
This is why I was thinking about doing DMT as a kind of entry to entheogens because I know after my first experience I will have nothing but possitive energy coursing through my veins, giving me strength to face any demons my mind may hide. Thoughts?
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You know this? DMT can do a lot of things but I honestly believe that NOTHING comes without work. And that no matter how awesome your dmt experience is, you will gain nothing from it if you are not prepared to get your hands dirty and do that work. You will catch glimpses, you will be immersed in visions but in the end you will come back and you will have to put effort into your being to permanentalize all the lessons you've learned, or put effort into your being to actually learn anything from the visions you've had.

Using psychedelics to help you progress is amazing and I recommend it to anyone who feels brave enough or feels the call. But to think that they are magical gateways to quickly and easily deal with deep issues such as the ego or other psychological constructs is a misconception IMO. To become more conscious one must consciously strive for this goal. One does not flip a switch.

As for what you should try first... I think LSD is much easier to deal with than mushrooms. I've never ever had anything remotely bad rise up during acid, but I've had quite a few very rough experiences with mushrooms. DMT on the other hand has so far mostly been very kind to me.
If you choose to go with DMT I would recommend trying oral DMT first in a medium dose. And maybe a sitter that you feel very comfortable with.

I wish you the best
Enoon
 
agree with enoon about mushroom strength over lucy.

recently, after smoking a hit of spice, a good friend (also psychedelic virgin) sat in and watched . then requested to try it!

..loaded the bubbler with an additional hit then friend smoked it. friend closed eyes and seen many things, the face expression was clear. then after opening eyes,.. friend glanced at me with a glazed stare, then began looking at the floor.
friend says that the floor was like a clear pond with rain dropping over it. set to music.

said i was cartoon-ish. and had a glow around me.

later described the same vision i seen earlier the week! amazing...
 
Nothing I know can prepare you for hyperspace experience, I did a lot of other stuff... but DMT pulled my shoes of. In a good way. I see no problem at all to start with that, the important thing is to be prepared for some (good) overhelming crazy crazy experience. When using it for the first time, you will get something like : "Oh my good, WTF is happening? Where is my body?" and might get a little afraid, but VERY IMPORTANT KEEP IN MIND: ITS OVER IN 10 MIN (when smoked).

Just be sure, you have a good quality of material, extract it yourself or let it do a trustable fried who has some experience. People who are selling do it for profit, they ususally do not care about your trip.

Enjoy, and let us know
 
Due to the brief duration of the drug, DMT seems like a good place to start. In my experience, any negative experiences I have aren't really too scathing. In other words, once it's over, it's kind of like having just had a bad dream in the sense that it was scary for a few minutes that may have seemed longer, but now that it's over, it doesn't have that same grip over me [I mean in no way to compare DMT to dreams in extremely limited ways other than that]. While I certainly agree that DMT can be most likely the most intense experience of your life, I most often find it to be overly-accommodating as well. By starting low on dosage and working your way up, you can gradually extinguish that fear-response so that in the event you do find yourself being rocketed through white light, you can open yourself up to the experience as opposed to turning away. Although of course DMT is very set/setting dependent, I find it to be more forgiving than shrooms. I took shrooms as my first psychedelic and I've revisited it a number of times throughout my psychedelic career, and they can be truly ruthless. Even if I find myself to be in the best of moods, with little problems going on in everyday life at the moment, they can somehow find a way to turn the tables on me. I've never tried mescaline, so I can't say anything regarding its candidacy as a first psychedelic. If not DMT, LSD would in my opinion make for the best psychedelic. It's a pretty translucent experience and always seems less weird to me than shrooms. If the question is between DMT and salvia as a first, and you're gonna do one of them one way or the other, I would have to cast my vote for DMT 100x out of 100.
 
Dmt will be my first psychedelic experience , i extracted it 1 hour ago.. and i hope it go fine
the reason i want to try it so bad not to get high ,i just wanna experience something spiritual and powerful
 
DMT was my first psychedelic experience. I actually did not find it hard to integrate at all (at least the first time I did it).
Previous drugs were cannabis and hydro/oxycodone.

My first DMT experience was overwhelmingly intense... all of my preconceptions of tripping were from videos/stories from friends - so I had NO idea what to expect when it hit me.
Feel free to ask me anything...
 
Tripping on DMT is nothing like tripping on other psychedelics. I find dealing with the mental aspect of DMT is definitely more easy, the intensity is just so profound it is hard to grapple. LSD/psilocybin does more to my mind than DMT ever could, but DMT confounds me more than LSD/psilocybin ever could, as well.
 
Korey said:
Tripping on DMT is nothing like tripping on other psychedelics. I find dealing with the mental aspect of DMT is definitely more easy, the intensity is just so profound it is hard to grapple. LSD/psilocybin does more to my mind than DMT ever could, but DMT confounds me more than LSD/psilocybin ever could, as well.
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Well put :)
 
Korey said:
Tripping on DMT is nothing like tripping on other psychedelics.
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well it's certainly different, just like lsd and shrooms are different from each other, but to me at least it's still a psychedelic and is not really set apart from the others as far as I'm concerned. Don't get me wrong, I'm fascinated by it, and find it extremely spiritual and moving, but so are the others for me. I guess everyone is entitled to a favorite, and I might even say dmt is mine sometimes (but really I can't decide), yet I still don't feel that it is 'nothing like' the others...

idk. I've had this discussion before, it seems most people disagree on this with me :p
 
I think that, assuming mindset and setting are catered for optimally, then the duration of the experience coupled with dosages taken are important considerations.Of the four (LSD/psilocybin/mescaline/DMT), I personally think that psilocybin is a good starting point provided you dont dose too heavily as its duration is shorter than the others (except vaporised DMT/changa).Of late I have come to the conclusion that changa is even more user friendly than psilocybin provided you take, say 80-100mg of caapi x11/ FB DMT in a 1:1 ratio in 2 or 3 breaths without necessarily trying to get these 3 inhalations down as quicky as possible.The mental clarity with changa and, IME, the pace at which the visuals unfold when taken this way makes it much more manageable than consuming the same amount of FB (or the changa) in one breath.The caapi really is beneficial in this respect, and if you're okay with this kind of experience, you can titrate your dose/rate of consumption up as you feel comfortable.I should add that Im referring to smoking the changa in a small glass bong rather than via a vaporizer.
 
Enoon said:
You know this? DMT can do a lot of things but I honestly believe that NOTHING comes without work. And that no matter how awesome your dmt experience is, you will gain nothing from it if you are not prepared to get your hands dirty and do that work. You will catch glimpses, you will be immersed in visions but in the end you will come back and you will have to put effort into your being to permanentalize all the lessons you've learned, or put effort into your being to actually learn anything from the visions you've had.
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I understand the depth of work that will come with psychedelics. I think you misunderstood me a bit. Its not a way to avoid conflict, its a way to start conflict. I am not at all ignorant to the fact that one must use psychedelics to evolve him/herself.
 
I think that DMT is fine as a first time psychadelic experience as long as you have done your research and got the set, setting, dosage,etc, sorted.Also, you would be very wise to try 20MG vaped to see the DMT territory, before trying say 40-60MG.
DMT can be incredibly amazing or terrifying, regardless of how great a tripper you are.8)
-Don't forget that you are visiting near death territory, so it isn't to be taken lightly.......
 
christian said:
I think that DMT is fine as a first time psychadelic experience as long as you have done your research and got the set, setting, dosage,etc, sorted.Also, you would be very wise to try 20MG vaped to see the DMT territory, before trying say 40-60MG.
DMT can be incredibly amazing or terrifying, regardless of how great a tripper you are.8)
-Don't forget that you are visiting near death territory, so it isn't to be taken lightly.......
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I'm becoming less and less convinced that the physical dose size itself (i.e. in mg) is very useful information as an isolated variable. In other words, many of us here have GVG's, and I feel that our effective dose size would be considerably smaller across the board than those using the sandwich method in a bowl. Many times when I'm talking with those who use the sandwich method and say that 40-50 mg provided a mild experience, I feel like if they would have put their same dose in my GVG with my torch lighter that they would be blown out of their shoes. Even with the same equipment and smoking technique, people still have their individual sensitivities (not tolerances) and 10mg in one person may produce similar intensity of effects that another would have to take 20mg. Just start low (10-15mg with any method?) and work your way up, taking notes. Eventually you'll find what's right for you, but remember that's simply you :!:
 
I have NEVER lost sense of my ego or have had the "ego death" that comes with large doses of other psychedelics. Honestly, ego death occurs so much more easily when you are in an unfamiliar location (while sober, no substances involved) that is so unlike your normal, day to day living. When I had my one and only breakthrough, I became the eyes and ears of the omniverse (if it had either of those two things). I was still ME while taking on an existence that is existence, I still retained the prominent memories from human life.

So to address your issue with the fading/death of your ego, DMT (freebase at least) is not something that will rip your ego out of you. It will [most likely], however, make you adopt beliefs that, in your current mindset, would be extreme and irrational. Once you adopt these beliefs, for me at least, it is so frusterating to even explain since most of it is inexplicable. My folks are very supportive of my focus on psychedelics and philosophy, but telling them about the experiences on DMT that I view as 100% real is something that I have not been able to bring myself to. If I told them that my intrests in these substances has led me to believe 100% that we are all eternal, that I have communicated with friendly reptilian-humanoids, and that death will be the biggest relief our soul will experience from now and on...I would lose all credibility towards my views with them. Adopting beliefs that DMT teaches you is irrational to everyone who has not experience it, that is why I am so glad this board exists :D
 
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