DMT cures heroin addiction, I'm a 20 year addict and for the first time have no cravings.

[mother superior]

You might not be an addict, but this day in age most people know one or have a family member that suffers form this disease. If they want to quit but can't(only an addict understands how hard this can be) DMT will show them the way. I got the idea from the ibogaine treatments in Mexico I couldn't afford. After the worst of the acute withdrawals passed, I smoked DMT every night to deal with withdrawals until they were gone.

 

[lobo108]

Great news. Addictions can be the most powerful of realities and sometimes we need something more than we can personally provide to escape from them. Be assured that there are many others like you around and we are here for support and to lean on.

"All great changes are preceded by chaos.” -Deepak Chopra

Much love,

Wagonwheel

 

[tele]

Good to hear that, DMTs healing/teaching value is great:wink:

 

[RebornInSmoke]

best of luck staying off the brown, brother.
you are at a turning point in your life. 20 years is a long time to be addicted to anything.
take what you have experienced and run with it, and dont look back!

 

[ApeironCertain]

Over the years I've heard from others who've had real success with this, and it was also by way of smoked DMT. I'm sure a full-on ayahuasca ceremony would have its own bevy of therapeutic benefits not on offer on a 10-15 minute experience, but I'm not really experienced enough first-hand to weigh the two side by side.

I did try applying the same principle using mescaline several years ago for my own opiate woes, and there seemed to be a short benefit (eating dried cactus flesh tends to make you not want to further abuse your body in any way shape or form heh). But I found that psychedelics whilst still in the midst of near-full blown addiction seemed to place me in an even more precarious mental state than if I hadn't gone that route. What I mean is, I think their true healing potential only comes about when well out of the opiate forest ...then they are an even more powerful reinforcer.

 

[universecannon]

Good for you !

 

[bigmack]

Highly circumstantial in my opinion - although I agree to some extent, but also very much disagree.
Most addicts of heavy drugs like these are of a different breed.
They dont use psychedelics preferrably.
Drug-use for them is more about feeling good, and less about uncovering the unknown and exploring the consciousness
[the type of things the more 'industrious' drug-users are after... if you know what I mean.]
I would say if DMT helped you get off heroin, that's fantastic.

I agree in the sense that it could certainly have potential
1) in helping with some of the physical symptoms during late withdrawl.
but it would certainly cause rebound effects if used during primary phases of withdrawl. [smart move by you for being patient]
2) It could help deal with the addictive personality and impulsive traits by allowing the user to look inwardly, or introspectively I should say.
That being said, so can many other substance help the user with looking inwardly.
LSD could help with this.
mushrooms and mescaline could help.
So could MDMA.
perhaps even ketamine, who knows? - all sorts of substances could potentially help depending on the individual.
I personally think something like the tabs or mush would be a much better route - something that lasts longer, is much kinder and allows the user to lift they're spirits similarly.
Probably ket and emma wouldn't be best, having rebound effects of they're own.

I'm not trying to argue the validity of your statement and I'm glad you shared you're story.
But I would caution you to tread lightly on the idea of introducing other's to such 'treatment'.
It is often forgotten how easily and tremendously entrenching a DMT experience can be.
One wrong turn... and you might get explosive results.
Also, consider the fact that any heroin user who's itching for a hit using DMT is EXPONENTIALLY more likely to have a devasting, nightmare-like experience because they're opiod receptors are out of whack.

It's an interesting idea and there's arguements for both sides here.

I can attest to DMT [but specifically, ayahuasca] having pulled me through the 'heroin-heated' turnstyle, likewise.
It also helped me deal with other addictive personality traits too.
It also added an unbelievable dimension of love to my life.
It also doused me with sense of fear I never knew preceedingly.
It also added a certain level of alienation to my life.
See, what I'm saying?

DMT, how I've come to interpret it, is simply too sporadic.
I feel that some of the other psychedelics are better suited.
You can't take a medium or lower dose of dmt like you can with LSD for ex. and know the trip will soft.
I mean you can... but with DMT, it's either breakthrough... or very little of anything.
With DMT, its almost more of a gamble to use it for something like a withdrawl since it tends to be so enthralling and vastly unpredictable.
On one hand... you might get that one perfect, uncomparable impact that steers you just in the right direction .
On the other, you might get exactly the opposite.

 

[52-dsl]

Highly circumstantial in my opinion

Definately agreed.

I'm in your same situation. I was completely over my physical WD's before I first used DMT. I do feel it definately put me on the right track ect., but I personally would'nt advertise it. For one I'm not far enough into my recovery, only been like 100 days now. And I would never want to make someone think it's a cure all. I still struggle with urges to use EVERYday. That nice warm security blanket that is guaranteed to make everything better for awhile is only a phonecall away. But I do have to admit, it's working for me for now. This is the longest I've ever been clean W/O physically being restrained from it in 13 years.

Basically I'm just suggesting to keep it real. It may subside a little over time, but we're gonna be fighting this battle the rest of our lives! No subtance will cure addiction. But along with support, lifestyle change, avoiding other users (some examples) or whatever else you need to do it can be overcome.

Sincerely... Good luck!

 

[SpartanII]

You might not be an addict, but this day in age most people know one or have a family member that suffers form this disease. If they want to quit but can't(only an addict understands how hard this can be) DMT will show them the way.

Having been an oxycodone and heroin user for the past five years, I'm familiar with the suffering involved. I'm down-dosing on methadone now, planning on being off of it in a couple months. I've also recently quit a 15 year marijuana habit and long since stopped using alcohol and cigarettes cold turkey with no withdrawals or urges to start again.

Congratz on kicking the opiates!:d

But I would like to point out that it's misleading to call addiction a disease, as it implies a purely physical condition that can promote a victim mentality by shifting the perception of personal responsibility away from the user and placing blame onto the drug.

Here's a good article that backs this up:

Jeffrey A. Schaler, Ph.D.

(I quote parts of the article below)

In the late 18th and early 19th centuries, Schaler explains, activists and writers in the Temperance Movement (and certain medical doctors too - the American Benjamin Rush and the Scot Thomas Trotters among them) began speaking of addiction as something quite different. Now, suddenly, one was addicted, not to, say drunkenness, but to alcohol itself. And this addiction was to be looked upon as a disease, from which the addict was suffering.

Schaler writes:

"Neither Rush nor Trotter offered scientific evidence to support this new claim, but Rush was a powerful rhetorician and exerted an influence on public opinion. The newly invented medical language grew to be accepted as fact."

Schaler examines this new theory, which he calls the "disease model," in detail. "If addiction is a disease," he writes, "it's either a bodily or a mental disease." There is a problem with regarding addiction as a physical disease, however. It doesn't have the right characteristics. As Schaler puts it, "pathology . . . requires an identifiable alteration in bodily tissue, a change in the cells of the body, for disease classification." This is the reason that "a simple test of a true physical disease is whether it can be shown to exist in a corpse. There are no bodily signs of addiction itself (as opposed to its effects) that can be identified in a dead body. Addiction is therefore not listed in standard pathology textbooks."

". . . diseases are medical conditions. They can be discovered on the basis of bodily signs. They are something people have. They are involuntary."

"Perhaps the most telling comment Schaler makes on the "disease model" comes during his first references to Alcoholics Anonymous, whose Twelve Step Program is the basis for almost all of the "drug treatment" programs into which local, state and federal governments in this country pour taxpayers' money. Alcoholics Anonymous, he maintains, is nothing more nor less than a "religious cult."

To say that Alcoholics Anonymous is a religious cult is not, of course, to say that it is ineffective. But, in fact, it is. As Schaler puts it,

"treatment generally doesn't work. "Ill repeat that: addiction treatments do not work. This doesn't mean that individuals never give up their addiction after treatment. It's simply that they don't seem to do so at any higher rate than without treatment. One treatment tends to be just about as effective as any other treatment, which is just about as effective as no treatment at all."

In Schaler's view, addiction is not a "disease" that requires "treatment"; it is a choice that requires individual responsibility. "Drugs don't cause addiction," he writers. "No thing can 'addict' any person. Moreover, addiction doesn't mean you can't control your behavior. You can always control your own behavior. Drugs are inanimate objects. They have no will or power of their own."

I admit it is a compulsive behavior that can be difficult to control, and may have physical components but (in my experience) it has psychological, spiritual, and energetic components as well, and I believe that by taking responsibility for oneself, saving emotional energy and focusing one's faith and intent, one can easily muster the strength to stop most addictions cold turkey.

 

[corpus callosum]

I agree, addiction to opiates affects one physically, psychologically and spiritually.Mustering the strength to do the rattle cold turkey is easy, seeing it through is much much harder, and staying off for good is undoubtedly harder still.Im sure the Nexus members who know from experience what opiate addiction eventually entails will agree with this.

IMO, psychedelics taken within the first 120 hours after the last dose of heroin for example, that is something I wouldnt find beneficial.Even cannabis taken within this period has a greater than usual likelihood to be dysphoric.One has enough to contend with during these miserable, miserable hours without such mind expansion, but I think taken after week 1-2 of being without then at this point psychedelics would be of more use in reinforcing a desire to plod through the uncertainties that lie ahead, felt with an unbearable acuteness which fortunately resets itself almost fully about 6 or so weeks later.I also believe that dissociatives taken in place of the conventional psychs give a very useful insight into ones predicament,in part because ,IMO, they are very therapeutic towards generating an inner attitude of being allowed to forgive oneself for the mess that one has made of things.Dissociatives as we all know, do have a risk of causing a marked psychological dependence and for some the risk of substituting one habit for another is a real possibility.


Eventually though, one has to bite the bullet and start living once more from under the warm blanket that the opiates provided.Life will take its turns as it always does;what defeats many is the fact that the warm blanket is often within easy reach and a shit day can have you reaching out for it, somehow amnesic of the heavy price it exacted before.

 

[Bill Cipher]

I'm happy for you that you are enjoying early success in abstinence. I think, however, your claim that DMT cures heroin addiction is way, way, waaaaaay premature, wholly undocumented and a little bit irresponsible. Psychedelics have a great way of shining a light on one's deep seated issues. However, there is more to recovery than awareness of an issue, and substituting any one drug for another is unlikely to do the trick.

In any case, keep it up. I've been there myself, and my life is much better now free of that horrible albatross.

 

[bigmack]

Eventually though, one has to bite the bullet and start living once more from under the warm blanket that the opiates provided.Life will take its turns as it always does;what defeats many is the fact that the warm blanket is often within easy reach and a shit day can have you reaching out for it, somehow amnesic of the heavy price it exacted before.

- Great way to look at it.
Just remember how simple and effortless it is to lift that blanket over you - but how dependant you become in the end run.
The second the user tells his/herself they're "okay" again, and that this time they'll pace themselves and have more control, or that It's been so long now, they can easily use it in an unfrequented fashion, without any trouble... well, this is how they often fall into the same vicious cycle.

The way I see it, the hardest part is finding the fortitude to follow through with forbidding yourself from convincing yourself to allow yourself.

 

[RebornInSmoke]

he did say he waited til after the acute withdrawals had passed before doing this.

 

[tobecomeone00]

Cure is a strong word....mildly heal would be more fitting...dmt is not a magic cure, it just introduces you to the purest part of yourself....I gave a heroin addict dmt once, and he was using the next day...I used dmt and never touched heroin again...People are different, dmt is no cure...the only "cure" is the Being itself making the decision to change.

 

[yellowpusdogeye]

You might not be an addict, but this day in age most people know one or have a family member that suffers form this disease. If they want to quit but can't(only an addict understands how hard this can be) DMT will show them the way. I got the idea from the ibogaine treatments in Mexico I couldn't afford. After the worst of the acute withdrawals passed, I smoked DMT every night to deal with withdrawals until they were gone.

dood, i found the same experience however it is with 5-meo-dmt and now in 2021. I haven't fully kicked opiates but i plan on it and using DMT allowed me to refrain much longer than i ever could on my own. Can i please contact you for more answers?

 

[Dirty T]

You might not be an addict, but this day in age most people know one or have a family member that suffers form this disease. If they want to quit but can't(only an addict understands how hard this can be) DMT will show them the way. I got the idea from the ibogaine treatments in Mexico I couldn't afford. After the worst of the acute withdrawals passed, I smoked DMT every night to deal with withdrawals until they were gone.

dood, i found the same experience however it is with 5-meo-dmt and now in 2021. I haven't fully kicked opiates but i plan on it and using DMT allowed me to refrain much longer than i ever could on my own. Can i please contact you for more answers?

The OP only ever posted the one post and hasn't logged in since. I'm glad you got some help for your addiction. In my experience these tools help but there is a lot of work to do if long term recovery is to be had.

 

[null24]

You might not be an addict, but this day in age most people know one or have a family member that suffers form this disease. If they want to quit but can't(only an addict understands how hard this can be) DMT will show them the way. I got the idea from the ibogaine treatments in Mexico I couldn't afford. After the worst of the acute withdrawals passed, I smoked DMT every night to deal with withdrawals until they were gone.

dood, i found the same experience however it is with 5-meo-dmt and now in 2021. I haven't fully kicked opiates but i plan on it and using DMT allowed me to refrain much longer than i ever could on my own. Can i please contact you for more answers?

The OP only ever posted the one post and hasn't logged in since. I'm glad you got some help for your addiction. In my experience these tools help but there is a lot of work to do if long term recovery is to be had.

That is a really old post.

Please feel free to start your own thread in the welcome area and let us know a little more about you, your history and intention. I am in long-term recovery from a very long term heroin addiction and 5meoDMT was integral in helping me form the spiritual foundation to embark on a long journey to wellness. I work with addicts now as a peer and have come a long way from where I started, but it has not been easy. There have been many stops and starts and different healing practices, some have worked better than others, some not at all, some did at one time and don't anymore, some are brand-new that I am learning. It doesn't stop, you never get "fixed" and put that trophy on the shelf. I just came out of a life-threatening crisis that lasted almost a year and nearly culminated in me taking my own life from sheer hopelessness, so adversity is a thing that doesn't stop, but getting through it is what counts. It gets ugly sometimes, at least for me, but I'm breathing, and you're breathing and that's what counts.

I don't know anything about your addiction, and recovery is as individual as one's recovery, so it's hard to speak in anything but generalities, but I would be happy to talk to you about what you are going through on a peer level. My definition of recovery is coming from a place of impactful adverse life experience into a life that is measurably better. What that looks like for you is your story, and the different strategies you choose to get there are just that, your choice. I know the one commonality that I do see in successful recovery is support and community, and you have one here I invite you to engage.

Have you looked into or tried MAT (methadone, buprenorphine, etc)? That can be a really great harm reduction tool if you can find a good clinic to admister it. The heroin scene out there these days is no joke, brother, that shit will kill you. I don't know where you are but you sound like you are in the states and fentanyl is coast to coast north to south on the street, I implore you to be careful. 2020-2021 have been really terrible, sad years in so many ways, the uptick in OD's being one. Please be safe. MAT saves lives.

5meoDMT is an incredibly powerful drug that I think has singular capabilities to create grounds for transformational change in a person, creating an experiential awareness of one's connection to something greater than themself, and can be especially challenging to incorporate for just that reason. We don't exactly live in an enlightened culture in the west. Like I said, it was a powerful (and accidental) encounter with it that launched me onto a path of idiotic wandering into wellness, like the Fool with a big-T Truth lingering somewhere over my head either leading me to, or keeping me from walking right off the edge of the cliff, distracted by the yapping beast at my feet.

Anyway, you have come to a good place to talk to people who can understand some of the things you may be going through from an addiction and recovery standpoint, and may have some insight into some questions that may be going on in your mind from a psychedelic one. Welcome. So, please enlighten us about you a little more.

 

[Tegridy]

You might not be an addict, but this day in age most people know one or have a family member that suffers form this disease. If they want to quit but can't(only an addict understands how hard this can be) DMT will show them the way. I got the idea from the ibogaine treatments in Mexico I couldn't afford. After the worst of the acute withdrawals passed, I smoked DMT every night to deal with withdrawals until they were gone.

dood, i found the same experience however it is with 5-meo-dmt and now in 2021. I haven't fully kicked opiates but i plan on it and using DMT allowed me to refrain much longer than i ever could on my own. Can i please contact you for more answers?

The OP only ever posted the one post and hasn't logged in since. I'm glad you got some help for your addiction. In my experience these tools help but there is a lot of work to do if long term recovery is to be had.

That is a really old post.

Please feel free to start your own thread in the welcome area and let us know a little more about you, your history and intention. I am in long-term recovery from a very long term heroin addiction and 5meoDMT was integral in helping me form the spiritual foundation to embark on a long journey to wellness. I work with addicts now as a peer and have come a long way from where I started, but it has not been easy. There have been many stops and starts and different healing practices, some have worked better than others, some not at all, some did at one time and don't anymore, some are brand-new that I am learning. It doesn't stop, you never get "fixed" and put that trophy on the shelf. I just came out of a life-threatening crisis that lasted almost a year and nearly culminated in me taking my own life from sheer hopelessness, so adversity is a thing that doesn't stop, but getting through it is what counts. It gets ugly sometimes, at least for me, but I'm breathing, and you're breathing and that's what counts.

I don't know anything about your addiction, and recovery is as individual as one's recovery, so it's hard to speak in anything but generalities, but I would be happy to talk to you about what you are going through on a peer level. My definition of recovery is coming from a place of impactful adverse life experience into a life that is measurably better. What that looks like for you is your story, and the different strategies you choose to get there are just that, your choice. I know the one commonality that I do see in successful recovery is support and community, and you have one here I invite you to engage.

Have you looked into or tried MAT (methadone, buprenorphine, etc)? That can be a really great harm reduction tool if you can find a good clinic to admister it. The heroin scene out there these days is no joke, brother, that shit will kill you. I don't know where you are but you sound like you are in the states and fentanyl is coast to coast north to south on the street, I implore you to be careful. 2020-2021 have been really terrible, sad years in so many ways, the uptick in OD's being one. Please be safe. MAT saves lives.

5meoDMT is an incredibly powerful drug that I think has singular capabilities to create grounds for transformational change in a person, creating an experiential awareness of one's connection to something greater than themself, and can be especially challenging to incorporate for just that reason. We don't exactly live in an enlightened culture in the west. Like I said, it was a powerful (and accidental) encounter with it that launched me onto a path of idiotic wandering into wellness, like the Fool with a big-T Truth lingering somewhere over my head either leading me to, or keeping me from walking right off the edge of the cliff, distracted by the yapping beast at my feet.

Anyway, you have come to a good place to talk to people who can understand some of the things you may be going through from an addiction and recovery standpoint, and may have some insight into some questions that may be going on in your mind from a psychedelic one. Welcome. So, please enlighten us about you a little more.

I'm also a recovering heroin addict and it's no joke coming off it and staying off. I wish you all the best dude and hope you get it right.

It might be better to start a new thread on this topic I want to bring up in regard to null24's post. I just want to ask you a question null. Do you still consider yourself as in recovery and clean even though you use psychedelics. In all the rehabs I have been they drilled it pretty hard that you need to stay of all mind altering substances and even the talk of psychedelics as part of the healing is seen as you are not ready for the "real" world out there and they keep you longer for your mindset to come right. What made you decide to do psychedelics, did you see it as a relapse? Do you feel you can fully help addicts if you use psychedelics. I think psychedelics have helped me more than I thought they would in a few different aspects of my life.

I'm not trying to put you down or anything, I hope I worded it nicely as english is my second language and I don't want this to come off as me saying you are doing anything wrong. I just find it very interesting that entheogens can really help addicts yet the medical community would rather put you on psych meds which is just as hard to kick the day you want to. I don't think any of the psych meds I have been on have really helped me. They just kind of masked emotions and feelings. Felt like a zombie on them really and had no joy in life while on them.

 

[ShamanisticVibes]

While I cannot speak for null, I can say, that as a recovering heroin addict myself, that the idea of being "clean" should be individually tailored to the person in recovery. I use psychedelics, and from time to time even Kratom, and I do not consider these to be relapses.

I feel this way for these reasons:

-My life is not affected in a negative way, and the compounds I take are for medical or spiritual use only.
-My issue was with Opiates and Cocaine, mainly, and the use of the few compounds I take not only enrich my life, but they teach me things about myself, and keep me off of my problem compounds.


I also have never been a member or participant in any sort of NA-style programs, as these programs just did not fit my ideologies in regards to drug addiction and the methods in which I used to get clean. I think what it really comes down to is this. Is your conscience clear? Are you behaving in way that would be detrimental to your sanity or your ability to function as a proper member of society? Are you happy? Do you take care of yourself in a proper manner? And finally, do you abstain from the drugs and/or compounds that caused you to fall into a state of addiction?

If the answers to all of these questions are positive, then, imho, you are perfectly within your rights to call yourself clean. I am aware that NA and AA would say otherwise, and that is ok. But my conscience is clear, and my life is going well in regards to addiction, so I think differently than these organizations. I think it is important to remain objective and to take nuances into account in these situations.

While perhaps not for everyone, this is how I feel about the situation. And this comes from someone who was an addict for 15 years, never making it more than a few months without an opiate or stimulant, who is now approaching 3 years clean on October 31st, 2021.

Blessings, my friend. I hope I was able to help with my point of view.

 

[Bill Cipher]

I just want to ask you a question null. Do you still consider yourself as in recovery and clean even though you use psychedelics. In all the rehabs I have been they drilled it pretty hard that you need to stay of all mind altering substances and even the talk of psychedelics as part of the healing is seen as you are not ready for the "real" world out there and they keep you longer for your mindset to come right.

Not for nothing, but Bill Wilson used LSD repeatedly throughout the late 1950's (20 years after creating Alcoholics Anonymous). Didn't go over well with the rest of the AA governing body, so he stepped down from his position on it rather than abandon his psychedelic practice.

That's not to say that one way is right and the other one is wrong, but AA is steeped in a hot mug of dogma, and the Recovery Industrial Complex at its core is committed to a revolving door profit model that keeps beds full and delegitimizes all competing approaches.

As one who has traveled this road myself, I don't think a self-prescribed treatment plan involving psychedelics would have served me well early on. They did however help me tremendously when I circled back to them later, but without a significant period of total abstinence (and a number of years of therapy) I don't know that I would have made it. But that's just me and my experience. Mileage and results may vary.

But yeah, no one should ever make blanket statements like "DMT cures heroin addiction". That is just blatently false information that encourages a magic bullet approach to a very complex situation.